You're saying that Pagan must be terrible because he's the only experienced option available to St Kilda and the article says they're not interested. Nothing above explains how you come to Pagan being the only option.

I just think you're making a lot of assumptions, like the one above, to get from St Kilda not wanting Pagan, to the outcome you want in Pagan being crap. I'm just not so sure of St Kildas reasons for not wanting Pagan, and so I find it hard to use that to criticise Pagan. There are plenty of others reasons I'd have a go at him before a newspaper report that St Kilda doesn't want him.

Heard a similar thing PJ.

How can Buttcheeks then say that the club did not have to pay him out if he was sacked GH?

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It's the off season, so why not?

I'll tell you what has happened and what is meant to happen...

At the end of 2005, St.Kilda asked Grant Thomas if he would step aside if they secured another coach. Apparently Thomas was happy to do so.
So, St.Kilda went and approached a current AFL coach. That coach being Mick Malthouse. He spoke to the board and appropriate staff of St.Kilda and he agreed to come to St.Kilda.

However, before he actually signed on the paper, his wife intervened and convinced him not to citing that "he had unfinished business at the Pies and still had a point to prove."

This rumour could be backed up by the claim that Malthouse is now under consideration for the Saints job.

It'll be an interesting next few weeks for the Saints and, Mick Malthouse, if this comes true.

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By the sounds of it Thomas had a performance/expectation clause in his contract which he didn't meet. You have to be an idiot to sign a performance based contract as a coach when player injuries are out of your control.

Denis has 2 years left in his contract with about 1.2Mill with NO OUT clause. Denis would be too smart to sign something like that.

Carlton wants Denis to quit so Carlton do not have to pay him out.
Denis wants Carlton to pay him out if they want him to go.

Outcome, nobody is going anywhere - yet..

One rumour used as substantiation of another.

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We'll see what happens first, GH.

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Apparently he had a top 4 clause - I think I heard that from 3AW

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up there.

They'd like someone with premiership experience, he used to play for them, and he may be over Collingwood - so right fit.

Just don't think the scenario you indicated is how it did and then will play out.

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And yet wasn't there rumblings last year that there was a chance Thomas would have been sacked at the end of the year?

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So he did not deliver on his perfromance based contract and therefore was sacked and as such the club did not have to pay him out - is that how I read it?

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That's correct.

Pagan has a performance based contract as well.

He's completely safe as long as he doesn't finish lower than 17th two years in a row.

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Title change - Delete

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The Thomas rumblings have been around since the day he took over.

2 + 2 = 5

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Whoever's assistant at Carlton. I wonder why SOS and Ratts were so keen...

if Cresswell or Longmire don't get the St Kilda job, then the next best post is AC at Carlton because they kmow that if Pagan doesn't deliver within about 8 weeks, he's gone.

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Exactly, Clem.

If you didn't want/get the job at the Saints, your next port of call would be an assistant coaching job at Carlton.

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We all know he's crap. The only assumptio I'm making is that the article's right (meaning both the accuracy of the argument and wanting an experienced coach as compared to an untried coach), which is a big call talking the media. If they're after anexperienced coach, why have they ruled him out? I'd be surprised if he's ruled himslef out given his circumstances here. On face value, what does that tell from it? The Saints say themselves they want someone experienced why would they rule him out. The name's they had in the H-Suh are contracted, embraced by their clubs and going no-where. Why look at them and not Pagan? Pagan's contracted too but I'm sure we'd be happy to let him walk. saving us the payout. There's always Ayres too I suppose, but his man-magement skills aren't the greatest and he can't get the best out of teams either. There may be a few reasons as to why they rule him out but this is the one that stands out to me. I don't see the reason why they'd rule him out otherwise, unless he or the club's ruled it out, unless they don't think he'll fit the bill. Then you have to ask why.

It's YOU making the assumption that I'm after the outcome I want. Of course you can go think what you like. I'd be happy to be wrong here and St.Kilda take him off our hands. That would be a dream. I'm hoping the article's inaccurate.

Longmire to Carlton

David Schwatrz stated that Denis Pagan will be meeting with StKilda officials tomorrow.

Quick, someone nip round to Denis's house and get his power suit dry cleaned.

And we'd better arrange some wheat grass juice and a massage for him in the morning so he's energised and relaxed for his interview.