Great stuff BV!!
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The decision now is how do we retrieve the situation and move forward? We can bitch and moan which is good therapy but decisions have to be made.
A positive and pragmatic attitude of our current situation is the only way forward. You can't see light through mud, and for this I congratulate you BV in your effort to find wins and a path forward for Carlton, especially given the situation you're faced with and despite your disapproval. There's a way through this and I think you're onto it.
If you can't rid your team of Pagan you have at least looked at how he can work for us/ you.
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The structure of the football department is crucial and hopefully quality decisions are imminent.
The ideal situation for me, give Denis a mentoring role.
The idea of him mentoring is sound and fills gaps. It has been said many a time that he rarely spends time with the kids in one on ones, and this would give him the opportunity to bridge the gap. After all this is how his reputation started; moving the hearts and minds of kids in the U19's and reserves. This is an opportunity where he could use his assetts to good use.
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Denis can sit back, offer advice and generally be there to assist when required.
Whilst I don't believe that he'll just sit back, whether instructed too or not, I do believe that this role seems more of a football director, and at his age he may just be ready for this in 2008, if not 2007, and of course depending on the strength of the new assistants. Strength in terms of capability and mental.
Which leads us into Chris Bond. IMO, if Pagan was gone I would have thought of all the names suggested in other posts, Bond and Longmuir would be the go to coach the kids in the art of modern football, with my preference going to Bond, regardless of profile. No names and kids is a good story when it rises up a ladder.
The main reason for my support of Bond comes from when I compare the Swans list with ours and the type of footy the Swans play and I don't think that they are the same, and therefore Longmuir may not have the right cattle to apply the craft he has developed whilst with the Swans, albeit useful, whereas Bond has no such history, but is a tremendous tactician and people manager, and he has worked with different team structures, therefore had more challenges to work through.
As you said BV
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He has survived he resignation of Wallace, the sacking of Rhode and now works under Eade. The fact that the new coaches kept him on when they took over speaks volumes for his abilities.
Attracting the best candidates to Carlton may be difficult given recent bad press, but you have thought through this well:
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The difficulty increases with St Kilda and possibly Geelong looking for the best andidates. And dont kid ourselves, they are prime positions with stable and financial clubs.
The bonus for Carlton is the opportunity to have at least one year "learning on the job".
The other advantage is the expectation is less. St Kilda wont tolerate anything less than finals wins, same for geelong.
Carlton can offer the opportunity to grow a list with some of the best youngsters in the AFL with several more coming.
In addition, with regards to Bond, Eade is set to sign on for another 3 years, and where does that leave Bond? There is a window of opportunity at Carlton for 2009, and he's chomping at the bit. I want asistants that want to come to Carlton. At the very least he's "familiar with our landscape". I wouldn't mind Mick Maguane in the other assistants role if the fallout at StKilda includes him. I have a few others on my radar, but the above two would do us fine, if possible. Modern day tacticians, thinkers and good enough to help mould/ develop the kids into a team, and counter the opposition.
As for midfield, defensive, forward and ruck specialist coaches are concerned, I would love to see Ratten return for the midfield, not because he is Carlton but because he is capable, and not long out of the game, (Voss would be good too), and Bond and Maguane could add value in there too. We need all the development staff we can afford to develop 30 kids which in anyone's language is a handful. Can we afford it though?
With the $1.5M loan (for cashflow) and the $6.5M over the next 5 years from the AFL, we should be able to afford some quality football department assetts. Yes I know about the debt, but with a little ray of sunshine; the new draftees, the existing kids, new assistants, some positive media and a few more wins as a result from the new inclusions, we should fair better with members and sponsors to look after loan commitments. Who knows other benefactors may come to the party too.
The time is right to move with the times.
Great food for thought BV, and very positive too, regardless if Pagan would buy it or not. I think you have sensed that it's not all Pagan's way anymore, and your opportunity to say "its this way or the highway" is a tactic that may work in your favour.
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