Alright Denis, i suppose we could let you out of your contract

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Just as long as Thomas doesn't come to Carlton - after the way he knifed Stan Alves, then Malcolm Blight to get the job..... Although between Barry Mitchell and Grant Thomas, it would be interesting to see who could knife the other first.... Carlton's own Desperate Housewives.

From what I hear, Grant isn't well liked among the coaching community...

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

Number of possibilities could happen to us if Pagan is poached:

- Board still get challenged and knocked off. Although, I think it will vindicate how Pagan really feels and the farce we created last week

- We sue Pagan for breach of contract = $$$$

- We get a new coach, younger, cheaper, and a revamped football department.

One only hopes.....

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

Mathew Clape, Brad Pearce - i like mine scrambled

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Number 17 - come on down!

Why sue?

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Interesting situation really. On the one hand, can the Saints justify sacking a guy who got them to the finals three times in a row for a complete unknown quantity? Thomas had his faults but it would be a hugh call to bring in someone untested who might blow the few remaining years of their window.

But it would be an equally hard sell to replace him with a guy who had just coached consecutive spoons sides. Sort of depends how Denis's Carlton tenure has been viewed outside the club, and whether they feel that "noone could have done better with our list". My gut feeling is that Denis will be seen as damaged goods now.

cause we can - he's breaking a contract - what if the board wanted him to stay and he decided to go? We can sue for breach of contract.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

StKilda wont go for Denis in my opinion.

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Rebuilding phase? You have to be kidding ...

I'd love to be rebuilding with the likes of Riewaldt, Koshiske, Ball, Hayes, Goddard, Dal Santo, MacGuire, Clarke (x2), Fisher, Gram & Montagna...

... if they're rebuilding, then we're still drawing up the plans ... and we've still got to go to VCAT to get the permit!

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Number 17 - come on down!

a nice thought to sue...but i doubt we would....we would just be happy that we dont have to pay any part of his salary if he did go to the aints.

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All at Carlton are Equal, Except some are More Equal than others

The fact that so many of you think it can happen is reason enough for it not to happen!

Unfortunately fairy tales dont exist and we're stuck in the mire and a long-term rebuilding process (unless Pagan relents with short term fixes that wont provide anything better in the long run). Even that Jennifer Hawkins story didnt come true...no fairy tales!

Well who are the realistic options? They've said they interviewed Cresswell, Longmire and two others. One will be Harvey. The other will be Frawley, Ayres or Pagan. Or more likely, was Frawley or Ayres, and Pagan will get a late interview if he's interested.

If they want to go down the experienced road, I know who I'd take out of those three - the guy with two premierships (even if he has a collection of Spoons to go with them).

The clown in me wants them to take Frawley; the pragmatist wants Pagan.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

dont get your hopes up to much if the other two wasn't Gary Lyon and Matt Rendell I would be very surprised

No we are stuck with Pagan so you can forget that option

Pagan will improve next year

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Maybe Buttttterrrssssss is prepared to give Mark Harvey that Head Job.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

As I've said, personally I think Denis will be seen as damaged goods. But you've got to admit, the logic is pretty compelling. Why, at this point in their cycle, would you sack a finals coach and downgrade to an assistant ooach who will take 2-3 years to find his feet at the higher level like all new coaches do? If you go with an experience senior coach, there are only so many available and only really one who has acheived the ultimate success as a coach. I will be very interested to see who they end up with.

Lyon wouldn't put his hand up. He's a family man, and right now, that family needs him.

Harvey and O'Donnell are waiting for Sheeds to give it away... Just like in The Waterboy - I wonder which one is Coach Klien.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

No point. We'd have to quantify before the Court what damages would be caused by his departure. This is difficult to quantify and could in fact be advantageous. Breach of contract litigation in the courts is notoriously unproductive.

We should settle at not having to pay out his contract.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

I only put Pagan in the picture as in the background Archers consulting group is involved

One of the directors also is involved in someway ... Archer and Pagan go back a long way ... Ron Joseph also in the mix....

So woth all that in the background you would think that Pagan might be in the mix also especially after the debacle of the Carlton board last week...

And also Pagan has been seen as someone who hasnt got the financial backing of the club limited resources and limited coaching panel and poor list in rebuilding.. the Saints have $$ and are looking to put more money in the coaching department and a List capable of making an assult on the flag... so Pagan with a good side has had results ... maybe they will take a punt on him who knows

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

Pagan will probably get results from the Saints because he has confidence in their list. He has confidence in any of our players except Murphy and Fevola - this attitude rubs off onto the whole team...little wonder we play with a defensive mindset...

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky