Quality bloke, is Harford - I wish I'd heard what he had to say, because I'm liking the sound of it. Harford has the sort of character I'd like to see retained about the place, not lost due to the fact he thinks it's a basket case.

It may not be the classical definition of a dictator, but that's the behaviour he's trying to promote.

"Here's my cash, now do as I say."

He should speak to them directly, and attempt to direct change. If he feels he's incapable of doing that, send some mates who can (I'm assuming he's done this part).

If he can't come to agreement, form a ticket and commit to financially backing them when they're in power.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Maybe he is, who knows?

What I do know is that he's already shown that he's willing to actually DO something to help get our club out of the shitter.

Which is more than a lot of people can say.

That's why I said if all our ex-players had his sort of attitude, our club would be a lot stronger.

You disagreed. Still not sure why.

I see what you're saying now.

I was being more specific than you. If all our ex-players were motivated to do something, yeah, I'd be happy too.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Its sounds to me as if Brown did chat with the Board and did come up with a solution to help the Board

then the Baord changed its mind

so Brown pissed of that somehow his name is dragged through the mud

comes out and tells it for how he sees it.

Fair dinkum Jimmae you're doing so much spinning just to somehow form a contrary argument to Synners or BV you are missing the @#$%&! alarm bells ringing.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I don't agree with that at all jim. "Here's my cash, now do as I say." is way off the mark. He recognised (as we all have) that the board does not have the available funds to pay out Pagan's contract, in fact their hands are tied due to the $1.5 mill loan they took from the AFL. Brown offered a solution.

If anyone is saying "Here's my cash, now do what I say" it's the Spew.

No, he wont hang around and why should he. Everything associated with our club at the moment has the stench of shit to it and he probably is better off finding greener pastures.
He has taken our club to heart and is not shy to impart criticism and he definitely doesn't think highly of Pagan and this has been the case for some time. I wish I had heard the interview.

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C'mon Blueboys!

Deano wrote



Well done Deano.

I will forever respect Dog for his staunch positioning on the issue, and for his tough never say die attitude on the footy field in that Navy Blue jumper. Didn't go into melt down for anyone; unlike some marshmellows.

Now I hope everyone realises why all other clubs haven't had a Black Friday when they should have (as promised by the AFL); the culprits didn't meltdown and quiver....also the AFL didn't keep its word, and probably couldn't afford to give all AFL clubs million dollar fines for their paper bag payments.

Deano, you've got me worked up now.

Onya Browny.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

And what would have happened (not saying this did or didn't happen) if the board came up with the result that Pagan was the best choice as of right now, with some modifications and a clear succession plan should the situation change.

If the board could demonstrate this as best as possible, would Brown have tipped his cash in anyway?

By the way he talks about it, no.

By the way some of you talk about, Pagan could never be the man to do anything fruitful at Carlton. That's not neccessarily rational thinking.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Would you happily throw in 600k + of your own dollars for the board to happily go about their business?

If he has the gumption to put his money where his mouth is then he has EVERY RIGHT to make it conditional.

We could throw 6 billion smackers at this board and they'd find a way to piss it up against the wall and leave us up the shit.

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Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

WOW!!! just heard Harfs tounge lashing. Brilliantly said and echos a lot of information we get here.

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There's so much I could say...

Don't get me started on that. Biggest load of shit ever to spew from Demetriou et al was the promise of league wide salary cap investigations.
The goldenboy.com and robotlloyd.com thing was swept under the carpet.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

slow mo wrote



Exactly slo mo...take note jimmae...there's no dictatorial tendencies in that.

It's a conditional offer.

It's like saying "I'll buy that car if you fill her up fully registered and filled up with high octane, and if not, I'm not handing over my cash".

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Fraser Brown bleeds navy blue blood, and in which ever way you look at it, was a very admirable and selfless thing to do for the club..

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Corinthians 9:6- 8

Of course he should have reservations, you'd need to be satisfied the money is being wisely invested.

You don't enforce conditions via the payment.

"Here's 600k, sack Pagan and here's a list of people to bring on board instead."

So we get rid of Pagan, but we just appoint more people straight away? No interviewing, no committee to overview the process?

If he is disatisfied that his money will not be spent the way he sees fit, then he needs to make a ticket of people that will come on board and do it his way.

This isn't 'Fraser Brown by popular demand', this is just Browny.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I think Brownie's smarter than any of you are giving him credit for. The offer to pay out Pagan was far smarter than simply removing Pagan.

Let's assume for a moment that Brown is part of a push to remove the board.

He offers to pay out Pagan; the Board has three options:


1. The Board knock it back (for a variety of reasons) and keep Pagan. In doing so they upset those who want Pagan gone. If Pagan wasn't axed that's one more rallying cry for their push for a changeover at board level.

2. The Board accept the money and conditions and sack Pagan. In doing so and they upset those who want Pagan to stay. If the Board axes Pagan that's one less issue for Brown & co to deal with when they take over. It also shows the football world that the board aren't in control and driving the direction of the club.

3. The Board @#$%&! around not knowing what the hell they're deciding and they look increasingly incompetent. In doing so they sign their own death warrants.


Whatever the outcome of the offer Brown and his people couldn't really lose. The offer was conditional precisely to make it difficult for them to accept. In making the offer he split the board and made the rest of the football community see them for what they are.

I've no doubt at all that we haven't heard the last of Dog and his mates.

Let's hope they act before the current board start signing contracts.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Out of interest, would you have been more happy if Brown's condition was that he, or a proxy of his choice, Kernehan and Gleeson be appointed to a panel to assess applicants for the senior coaching position? There would be a process then, and other applicants would have an opportunity to convince the panel they were a better option than Mitchell?

Geez now I definitely want Brown in.

Clever move politically speaking, but talk about trying to create mayhem.

I won't be voting for Brown or anyone who reveals themselves to be behind the idea should they put their name up for election.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Yep, but I'd be nervous about it.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

What about if it was a panel of 5, with the last two being non-carlton people?