I guess I am full of shit then.

My source is Lorraine Diggins and she reckons you should put the kettle on.

Oh - and she wants you to put up a picture of yourself with your real name.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

I bet you Pagan will point the finger Russell and Hartlett and say "they didn't come on therefore it's Wayne Hughes' fault"

If Hughes is sacked, then by golly I'll be angry.

Hughes was the guy who picked Mundy and Dunn for Freo. And they've been developed well over there...

Far out the Board is stupid. One day they want him fired, the next they listen to him about how others are at fault.

Let's face it. Denis just wants to have an easy ride with picks 1 and 4 and whatever. If you're not under pick 5, Pagan doesn't like you.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

I find Lorraine Diggins quite sourcey.

But then again, I'm old and my eyesight's failing...

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NOW YOU'RE JUST SOME CLUB THAT I USED TO KNOW.

Chyna-
As Ive said previously-
Doesnt the cohesion in all the posters accounts vis a vis the board meeting say something to you?
The fact different people with different sources arrive at fundamentally the same conclusion should justify its legitimacy.

If you dont want to believe it, dont. You'll be the one who is living under a rock.

GWS said:



Spot on GWS. I'm worried we are going to pick up a Gardiner / Keating, and then be stuck with him. So all of Denis' short-term moves are going to be biting us next year and the year after, long after Denis (has hopefully) gone.

Molsey, Synbad, KennyHunter, Electric Blue and Josh kaplan normally have the good oil.

It's ludicrous to ask for the source names - information would dry up in a heartbeat.

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Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

and me

Oh I have great sauces

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I'd like to thank the people on this site who have shared the facts with us over the last week. Too much fits, and then appears in the paper the day, for it to be doubted. The Board has acted ineptly, whether you are a Denis fan or not, in every facet of this sad tale. The last straw for me is when a young kid like JR starts being used as a scape goat. At the most important time of year these lawyers, merchant bankers and art dealers want to review the recruiting department? Barking.

It's time to storm the Bastille.......again.

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In Bolts we trust.......Until we don't anymore

How did "Pagan cited JR as an example."

become

"The board cited JR as an example." ?

It just demonstrates to me that Denis needs to be compartmentalised rather than have his finger in all the pies.

The board, for all the talk of their indecisiveness, appear to be putting forth a strategy to set that in place.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Yep

brilliant strategy its called



HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

It does not matter how true it is,the really sad thing is that if this whole thing is made up the truth would not be far behind.

I'm in for $100.-- lets tell the pigs that are f@cking our club what we think.

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"Go blues"

Feel my love...............

I wouldn't like to go down this avenue again, but is it time for another petition?

What do we need? 100 signatures?

Pity the season isn't still alive...

Whatever form of petition etc etc gets up, I'm right behind it no matter what. The board are killing us and they don't even realise it.

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Twitter - @johnfeeney24

I have changed my signature accordingly.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Ignore me, just trying to boost the post count enough to disassociate myself from Jordan Russell... I'm sure he's the reason I can't get my handicap under 10!

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Patrick Smith - Just another reason to HATE Essendon*!

Molsey wrote



What a courteous young man.

Chyna wrote



What an aggressive reply.

Molsey Replied



Poor wounded messenger. Shot down. Goes into his shell in fear of further ridicule.

Come on Chyna, I love your passion and your team, but are you happy now?

Look its a chatroom, there's always going to be allegations and inuendo. I once had the same opinion as you held, but overtime, it's incredible how some of the so called 'rumours' from TC come to fruition (surface as facts).

Now, do you want to know what the goss is or not? Do you want to believe it or not? Your call. Things aren't all that rosie at Carlton atm.

But for me, I believe that Molesy did get the mail, and he doesn't have to disclose anything...and you know what, I don't dismiss it as just pure heresay, I consider the possibility... and to me I decide that it's kind of believable...

1. it comes from Molesy
2. he might be right
3. i'd like to consider my values with regards to this possibility
4. it's Carlton related
5. i'm all ears and eyes
6. i can decide to believe it or not, or sit on the fence

As a Carltonian, I would like to know when a fly in a Carlton jumper farted, than not. Why? I'm keen on all Carlton stories...especially Synners', BVs, Molesy's,Elwoods, Sydney's, KK, Juzz, GWS,... the whole lot that stick their neck out and have a go, in the name of Carlton and its holy ghosts.

The Board do not, repeat DO NOT communicate openly with its members, and so who is going to inform me as to what where when how my club is at? Not them and not you, obviously. I want to know everything, both sides of the story, rumours, facts....anything...I'm in Sydney and I need my fix.

You don't go to an election and just vote based on a campaign do you? or what your parents tell you to vote for? Well that's a sheep's mentality to do so, so you don't. You base it on record, and fortunately the media do dig dirt on politicians to give us a headsup as to what reality is, and clear our vision. The same applies here, until its proven as rumour milling, and then reputations are questioned. I don't believe that these posters want to tarnish their reputation (alright some are tarnished...deviats do that)

I appreciate what Molsey has done, and I consider my position, as audience, as privvy. Tell me Chyna, do you believe that Hughesy, or Russell or recruitment was discussed and in someway and perhaps blamed for some of the failure of 2006? Is it plausible? You may or you may not. But not wanting to implies...

Eyes wide shut.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Thanks for your support bondi but rest assured theres no wounding... just playing along with the great man himself, chyna.

geez, do I come across as a 15 year old sap with no balls!?!?

how's the singing voice?

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

I was thinking the same thing myself PJ but we need the answer to a few questions first:

1) Can we spill the entire Board at an AGM? There are a couple of good people on the Board and we don't want to through the baby out with the bath water.
2) Have we got another ticket ready to go? Not just a bunch of people whose sole aim is to get someone out, like most of the mob we have now. We need a group of people who are committed to the cause and have the skills to deliver.

If we have those we only need 998 signatures...

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In Bolts we trust.......Until we don't anymore

Granted our recruiting through the draft has been lame over the past 10 years. However up till 2001 you can squarely blame the Parkin philosophy of going for mature body types or those players who we hoped would grow. O'Sullivan has been unfairly blamed for a lot of our recruiting duds up till that time.

From 2002 and 2003 we were hampered by picking from Round 4 and beyond - and we didn't do too badly when we actually picked kids.

Pagan was behind the moves to draft

- Martyn
- Mott
- Bowyer (great bloke and character and added to the list in lots of ways but unfortunately was not a great player).
- Chambers
- Longmuir


Pagan was also behind our struggle to finish 11th in 2004 which netted us Picks 9 and 25 in the first uncompromised draft we had access to since 2001. We went for Russell and Hartlett as the best players available and they may still prove to be OK (I hope they do - and to blame these boys for our poor showing over the past 2 years is deplorable from a club point of view).

In 2004 we were in the 3rd year of a 5 year sentence and our stupidity in finishing so high and removing the opportunity we had to draft the likes of Deledio, Tambling, Roughead, Franklin etc - actually added another 3 years to our sentence for bad behaviour.

Pagan has no clear long term vision - our board are weak, lily livered and spineless.

Its time for change and a new broom - who is our Club Dentist these days?

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Winston Churchill