Not everything is leaked to the media KK or made public knowledge. Just as there are some documents at every level of Government and Business that say 'Strictly Confidential'...and for issues that come with Probity Auditors and Legal teams behind them (AFL has some good ones) - it's best to be very careful.

If you don't think there is some level of corruption over the last 20 years in the AFL and within the clubs then you're plain naive. By the same token - there may have also been deals done that - hypothetically in 1999 - in the lead up to - hypothetically speaking, a State Election - that don't view the AFL in the best light either.

Agree with you Dukes - I think everyone is forgetting the horrible game plan that 'Brits' had in place - remember that horrible going sideways crap that he had? Seems like alot of teams do it now but they way he was trying it was absolutely horrible. He didn't exactly last long at Richmond either!

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Between our dreams and actions lies this world

So Doc, if they have something over us that they can use as a bargaining chip but aren't using it to destroy us, is that because they need Carlton as a club, or because they're implicated to a lesser degree?

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

You talk about others having rose coloured glasses yet Massie and Backwell were "talented youngsters".
How many AFL games did Backwell go on to play elsewhere?

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Molsey, that's the first time I've read that article in Blueeum, and the best summation of the year that was; Black.

Well done. Brilliant in fact.

Congratulations.

I like the last part...we've cottoned onto best practise in 2005-6 that other clubs had embraced many many years prior to us: The awakening.

The Black is behind. We've caught up with the times. We are rebuilding. Good times ahead.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

He's a gun for Glenelg

Really good post JW.

In years to come I will look back on these dark years as The Depression.

Even the depression only lasted five years...

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"The old believe everything, the middle-aged suspect everything, and the young know everything." Oscar Wilde

Thought that i'd bump this thread in lieu of Synbad's priority pick reinstatement thread, and BV's comments in it wondering if that information is what Dr Sherrin was intimating in this thread.

As GWS stated, it is awfully suspicious for the board to allegedly be strongly in favour to sack Denis -- and then, at the end of the meeting for a backflip to occur and he be voted back in 10-0. Something is going on here, that is for sure.

Smorgan denies that he spoke to the Spew, but -- he lied about having contacted Silvagni, didn't he? This stinks to high heaven.

The entire 1995 final against the Bears is currently on Fox.

I'm at a loss as to who you'd cut from this amazing team, even with the benefit of hindsight.

Ratten, with 97 games should've been traded for an early draft pick?
Hanna? Dean? Spalding? Too old?

Pearce with his 52 goals, in his first full season of footy would've got us a early draft pick?

Madden retired, leaving Allan with only 15 games under his belt to carry the ruck for a full season? (which he did do anyway once he was ready).

The list goes on.

The only names (like Bond or Mitchell) you'd consider were all gone shortly after the 1995 year to be replaced with the likes of Beaumont, Hamill, Murphy, Lappin, Houlihan, promising kids.

Oh yeah...........

they "promised" alright............!


kindest regards tommi

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

All went on (or will in Houlihan's case) to play over 150 (in some cases 200) games of football at the highest level.

In some countries it lasted well into WWII, and it was only the employment of men in the military and armaments factories which helped pull those countries out of it.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

"debacles, despondency and disappointment."

I thought this thread was about Collingwood at first....

I agree, Jack, lots of little seemingly insignificant decisions have snowballed into one huge avalanche of shit which has engulfed our great Club lately.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Anyone who reckons we should've overhauled the list at the end of 1995 must be watching a different game to me.

I think the list should have seriously been assessed as to where potential weaknesses were, and how to set up a system for addressing those weaknesses before they became issues.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Where were the potential weaknesses in the 1995 list?

Look 3 years down the track at what weaknesses developed, verbs. Don't be so obtuse.

The 95 team had great even contributions across the list, but don't forget we were pretty blessed with a low injury toll.

Was there a plan on how to successfully replace Harry? Sticks? SOS? Diesel? Brad Pearce? Doesn't look like it to me.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Yet four years down the track we were in the GF and five years down the track we won 13 straight games in the season.

From 1995, other than the names I've mentioned who started playing in the years 1996 onwards add Allan and Whitnall. All played over 150 games of AFL (except Houlihan at this stage). Those two alone became All-Australians.]

So what exactly were those weaknesses you refer to with the 1995 list?

Did I say there were weaknesses in the 95 list?

Why don't you tell me how we addressed potential issues, which became apparent in 97, 98, and partially 99 and 2000 (we were lucky in 99, and failed to live up to our potential in 2000).

Was the ruck addressed? Was a suitable replacement sought and groomed for Sticks, Diesel, Harry, Sexton, Spalding, etc? Was a successor to that successor groomed?

You know perfectly well what I was talking about, stop making arguments for arguments' sake.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.