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titimus · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:06 pm **Posts:** 940

kingkerna wrote:

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Lets see if I can get this right:

Nope you have got it wrong, stop guessing and inventing your own history on events that have happened. If you want sticks to leave then you should want the entire board to go also - he is not a John Elliot type who runs everything there.

As I read it this is a Sticks thread, not a 'board' thread.

I'm not pinning the blame for our current predicament solely on his head. If that is how my post reads then I didn't mean for it to.

By my reckoning Kernahan has been the sole person with authority at the club who has been there for the entire last five dismal seasons. He has presided under two coaches, three presidents and two boards in this period.

Various people want the president sacked, want the board changed, or the coach replaced. Surely Kernahan doesn't escape scrutiny??

I'm asking the question - who holds him accountable for his actions at the club?

Look, I probably shouldn't have created the list - it was to illustrate how Sticks has been present during all the major upheavals and change of personnel during the last 5 years. I certainly don't know the inner machinations of the club and Kernahan's wheelings and dealings during that time.

But, do you believe that he has a conflict of interest with his role in the review, his position with the football dept and friendship with Mitchell and the Fraser Brown contingent? I certainly do.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

titimus wrote:

It has become clear to me, perhaps belatedly, that Sticks is in an untenable position at the football club.

Lets see if I can get this right:

2002 - Involved in the sacking of Wayne Brittain for obtaining the first wooden spoon in the clubs history

2002 - Heavily involved in the coup to woo Pagan from North Melbourne which included a very high salary

2002 - Sees in a new board and President after Elliot is ousted

2002 - 2005 - Presides over the club as Director of Football during the worst performed era of the Carlton Football Club

2005 - A key player in arranging to renew Pagan's contract after winning the Wiz cup

2006 - Sees in a new President after Collins quits (or is pushed) from the role

2006 - After another dismal year conducts a review of the clubs coaching situation with mate Adrian Gleeson, which amazingly offers no recommendations but provides three possible outcomes regarding coaching structure

2006 - Prior to the board meeting reportedly endorses mate Barry Mitchell to be the new coach

2006 - Does a major about-face and once again supports Pagan

When and where is Kernahan held accountable during all of this??

He has been heavily involved with the machinations of club during the worst 5 years in the history of the Carlton Football Club.

We needed a clear and objective end of year review of the club which Sticks clearly wasn't able to produce. How can he fully endorse Mitchell as the best possible option for the future coach of the club - and then change his mind? (As the story goes).

Besides the fact that he played with and is mates with the alternative 'ticket' that were willing to oust Pagan for Mitchell.

I don't think that the best interests of the club are served by having Sticks continue in his current capacity.

Fair comment....like I have said previously, he should have been chopped when Elliott was ...you just have to show no mercy when you have a cleanout. Great Footballer, well meaning and no doubt loves the club but has been a dismal failure in his off field roles and along with most of the board needs terminating....Kernahan, Smorgan and obviously a few others on that board have made a bad situation even worse.....I didnt think it was possible but they have done it...all we need to do now is recruit Michael Gardiner and that would be rock bottom..
I understand why certain members want to drop off the club...pure frustration and no amount of positive spin will fix the problem...
It needs another revolution of sorts like we had last time and the members voting these idiots out of office..if Fraser Brown wants to get a ticket together and make a run at the board then I encourage him...go for it....
I just cringe when I see Smorgon do a doorstop interview.....how feeble we have become as a club.....

molsey · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:43 pm

Back in 2002 and 2003 we all knew, or ought to have known, that we were up against it for years. Years and years. The fact that Kernahan jumped on, in and tried to help has to count for a lot. Therea ren't many people who are in that position.

The fact that he has had a role over that time and been involved with several crises says more about teh Club than it does about Kernahan. Pick at his performance here, and rumoured changing sides, but hey he's in the wrong place at the right time.

I dont thin people should criticise him for his role in bringing Pagan to the club either. That was a big thing for us, somewhat political yes, but probably required at the time. The fact that is hasnt worked out yet doesn mean it was the wrong decision.

Navy Blue Horse · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm **Posts:** 15848

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teflon

The irony is that a non-stick product could be used as a nickname for a man called Sticks

GWS · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:01 pm

titimus wrote:

I'm asking the question - who holds him accountable for his actions at the club?

Certainly not the supporters.

95% of them are too busy lining up trying to get a tan every time he bends over.

I think he's a nice bloke and was a great footballer but no-one's ever been able to show me how anything he does in his current roles is either effective of even basically useful.

He should be the Whitten/Reynolds/Nicholls/Dyer figurehead type guy we wheel out to talk to possible recruits when we're talking to them not a board member/football department reviewer etc.

Sadly neither Sticks (and now SOS) have realised that they're appreciated more by others in positions of influence for the electoral cache they bring than anything they actually do once installed.

Football may not be rocket science but we sure could use a few neurosugeons at the club at the moment...

molsey · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:04 pm

Perhaps they do GWS and they are happy to rely on it because it brings them to important financial or coaching positions to the footy club.

SOS could have played this perfectly... he got what he wanted pretty easily, no?

camel · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:07 pm

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teflon

The irony is that a non-stick product could be used as a nickname for a man called Sticks

The issue of Sticks as a board member and footy dept key player should only run for as long as Pagan's contract should it not? By then his maximum 12 years as a director would be up.

titimus · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:06 pm **Posts:** 940

molsey wrote:

Back in 2002 and 2003 we all knew, or ought to have known, that we were up against it for years. Years and years. The fact that Kernahan jumped on, in and tried to help has to count for a lot. Therea ren't many people who are in that position.

Good point, Molsey. You certainly can't fault the fact that he loves the Navy Blue and has worked at it during our lowest ebb.

That doesn't mean that he is necessarily good at it though. I stand by my earlier comments - he has a major conflict of interest, he could not provide an impartial review in my opinion, and I'm not sure if the bests interests of the club are served with his continued involvement.

molsey · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:16 pm

Of course, it doesn't say anything about the quality of his actions. I wonder where we would be if Kernahan had done everything that we should expect from a star performer?

Even with the benefit of hindsight, he should have still gone for Pagan - I dont buy this Brittain support, he shouldnt have extended Pagan's contract until half way through 2005 at the earliest, and barring that, he would have puit his balls on the line and made a strong recommendation to the Board on Monday night (which may not have been required if we hadnt have extended Pagans contract in 2005).

but I ask you, even with that in hindsight - where would we be? Perhaps a few more thousand members, perhaps improvement in 2006 (at loss of picks and long term gain, perhaps an inexperienced Coach here...

Who can tell?

GWS · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:23 pm

molsey wrote:

Perhaps they do GWS and they are happy to rely on it because it brings them to important financial or coaching positions to the footy club.

SOS could have played this perfectly... he got what he wanted pretty easily, no?

I'm not a fan of his "analysis" of the game. He'd make a great one on one tutor for backmen but he just doesn't come across as having a great grasp on the strategic side of things.

That said, I must confess I did chuckle at the Machiavellian nature of SOS's move. Hopefully his coaching strategies prove to be as deft.

I hope I'm wrong and he becomes a 5 time premiership coach for us.

molsey · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:25 pm

Yeah, me too.

I know its a long shot and I have scant evidence to support it (but hey, we are on TC so its OK!) but I think SOS the public person and SOS the coach are 2 different people. Watch him in his suit on Channel 10 or Foxtel and he talks slowly and stumbles. But watch file tape of him 1 on 1 - the LRT stuff is fascinating - he is passionate, moving all over the place, in his face...

Not sure about his on field team strategies but 1 on 1 and maybe up in defence I have high hopes.

GWS · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:33 pm

molsey wrote:

Yeah, me too.

I know its a long shot and I have scant evidence to support it (but hey, we are on TC so its OK!) but I think SOS the public person and SOS the coach are 2 different people. Watch him in his suit on Channel 10 or Foxtel and he talks slowly and stumbles. But watch file tape of him 1 on 1 - the LRT stuff is fascinating - he is passionate, moving all over the place, in his face...

Not sure about his on field team strategies but 1 on 1 and maybe up in defence I have high hopes.

I hope you're right about that.

As for the 1 on 1 stuff I agree completely. I'd love him to be our defensive coach but I get the impression his new job description will be a little broader than that.

Wild Blue Yonder · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:31 pm

He'll save Luke Livingston.

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17235

he's Steve Silvagni - not merlin the magician!! Save Livo! ...Could he? :roll:

Deano Supremo · **Posted:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:12 pm

I have a memory of Livo showing some promise under him early on, before the weight of the world crushed Livo's gentle spirit.

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