Big call Clem, worse than Ian Stewart, worse than Jezza's second coming? Worse than Ian Thorogood? Has he lost the players in the manner Wallsy did in 89?

How good is our list. Is it the 8th best in the AFL, how about 10th, or how about the worst.??!! I am not a Pagan apologist, I have posted my share of anti Pagan stuff. But I am not a Mitch fan either. I actually think we have improved this year. I think we have been comptetitive most weeks which is not consistent with a coach who has lost the players. I think the young players have been handled well. I want Blackwell to be a gun in 2 or 3 years not a cripple from getting belted physically in a bottom side for 100 minutes a week. Setanta's development has been great. Totally Mitch? Or Terry D ADL, Franchina, McGrath, Elshaugh (who Setanta has suggested has been a great help). Who knows, but it is working. Does Russell deserve more game time? No, not till he learns to not drop his head in marking contests which I've seen him do a number of times in AFL and VFL. Who's responsible for Bryan's lack of intensity? Probably Bryan. Not sure about Smith getting promoted and only a few minutes, but I'm not convinced he is AFL standard and was surprised he was promoted. Maybe reward for hard work.

I don't like our chip, chip game plan, but then according to Smorgon that was developed to a great extent by the assistants. I did like our last 6 or so games when we went man for man.

Pagan can keep building the work ethic and tough tackling etc. We get a lot of new assistants. In 09 a new coach gets a team on the up. I don't want a few ex players and businessmen to put up money so their mate can get the job.

The unluckiest man in all this is Britts. He was a good strategist and match day thinker, would be a good assistant but unlikely.

And re the board over the last few days - it is 10 or so people with strong views trying to get consensus while considering all issues. Why wouldn't it take some time? Was it better when the clown Elliott made unilateral decisions over a crate of red wine?

Fact is until we get a good ruckman and several more classy midfielders we won't be going far, under anyone. Small improvement and good draft picks next year.

Maybe Pagan was never going to be sacked. But the Board have certainly put a rocket up him. He is no fool and no he must adapt to survive, maybe he will.

Its over with Denis no matter what you try and do it wont work... because i can predict the future... i can predict with great confidence that this will raise its ugly head again next year.
Its like a bad relationship.. it aint going to work!!!

The problem with Denis is he was brought in by a weak board to shore it up.. and was kept on and maintained by another weak board because they dont have answers..

It has nothing to do with whats best for the club but whats easiest for weak boards.

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Hmmm ... u have to see the funny side ...

Which is! ... Synbad was wrong again ... lol

Poor old Synbad ... first Whitnall .. now Pagan .... lol

Every day we become more like Richmond ... Thankfully we have not morphed into them yet, despite the silliness (Richmond Like) of some posters on this forum.

I used to laugh at Richo when he chucked a tantrum till we had a gun full forward with no midfield to kick it to him.
I used to laugh at Richmond for turning on their own.. before i realised what happens when you have a morons on the top of the club making pathetic decisions.

when we make decisions like this.. im glad i was "wrong" and remember... you can laugh at me.. but the rest of the world is laughing at us...

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great post gerry atric!

How anyone can see this as a reasonable outcome is beyond me.

Why have we been funneled into a Mitchell or Pagan situation? There are many top quality assistant coaches who would give anything for an opportunity. But instead, our board lack the ability to look at the options.
Its no different to our marketing initiatives or sponsorship and corporate options.
We play the safe option everytime. No new ideas, no intiative, no hope.

Kennyhunter tells us that the majority of players have had enough.
He's right. They dont hate Pagan. I'd suggest that most of them are quite ambivalent to him. They just dont have faith in him.
Pagan states in todays media that everyone has to start believing in each other again.
It's not going to happen. Respect went a long time ago.

How can a situation exist where Silvagni comes on as assistant coach?
The smart mail suggests he has come on with the promise of the senior job in 2 years!
How do we know he will be anywhere near the best option in 2 years?
How could we stupidly tie ourselves down to a ridiculous commitment???

The board is blinded by the return of the golden boy. It's like having Kernahan on your team. He buys you time and a shield from the supporters.
And how does Denis function with an assistant who has been promised his job in 2 years?
What happens if we are 2 wins from 6 games next year? The media will be over this again.

We've created more problems than we started with.
They've just been deferred.
Our club have become the masters of it.

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http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 11,00.html

Malthouse - article on Blues

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I was wondering what Mick was thinking

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Interesting. How is it different to when Wayne Brittain was sacked?
Denis was more than happy to sign a lucrative deal to come and trample over an existing contracted coach.
Yet he should be exempt from the similar treatment?



Fevola and...... Fevola and......?
Who are the others?
Our players have had hunders of opportunities to come out and support Pagan. Who are they?



No doubt. Malthouse probably wishes he could play Carlton every week.

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The "smart mail" says that Mitchell is keen to stay on, and that SOS is still being spoken to, BV.

Can you name some of these prospective coaches? I am actually interested in your opinion, but you refuse to give it to me. Is there a link somewhere you can dredge up? Prove me wrong about you and I'll happily shutup.

I think everyone here's judgement has been clouded by the absolute circus that this forum has been over the last few days.

Rumour, opinion and speculation have become fact, not because someone forgot to mention that they were rumours or opinions or speculation, but because people are spinning it like it's gospel.

Enough's enough. The board may be lacklustre but some of you have fallen victim to people shrewd enough to put the media and their contacts in headspins. I mean a good portion of the board deal with far more compentent journalists in their real jobs.

Stop overlooking the likely scenario to paint the picture you want to see. If everything was on face value I'm sure some of you would be taken to be disruptive knobs.

Do you believe that of yourselves??

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Get sick of being the whipping boy in Talking stuff, Jim?

I've been through this many times with you. You are'nt really here to talk football but to annoy as many people as possible.
Like the dog turd I stepped in yesterday, you're mildly annoying but easily avoided if one makes the effort.

Go and bait someone who doesnt know better.

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Will SOS be given the senior job if we have a new board in two years time

Unfortunately Juzz, I dont think they're thinking past tomorrow let alone 2 years.

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Even Pagan's not in the Ian Stewart mould but the second coming of Jezza, despite being past it by then, still gave us 18 1/2 wins in a season and a half. Even Thoroughgood got us to a PF and 6th place the next year, not that he was any good. Much better than 21 wins from 4 seasons. Remember Jezza took over from Walls, who, like Pagan, had completely lost the players winning 2 from the first 10 before Jezza stepped in and won 7 1/2 of the next 10. Once you lose the players, like Pagan has, you're coaching for the pay packet because you have little hope of success. At that point you need to go. Mitchell would've been a far better option as he would've at least had terrific support from the players.

Two years assisting Pagan wouldn't be enough?

Who knows Verbs?

Danny Frawley had 2 years under Malthouse at Collingwood from memory.
Good players dont neccesarily become good coaches.

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True, but wouldn't the two years be used to find out? Next year would be a grounding year, then 2008 having added responsibility with an eye to 2009.

Not for Mitchell.

How is Laidley travelling after doing an apprenticeship under Mick?

Though it appears SOS has helped LRT and Morris, Harris, etc. take their games to a higher level.

Draft Hansen or Gumbleton.

For every assistant that you bring up as crap, there's others who aren't (Roos, Worsfold etc). That's not the point.

Is two years not long enough to groom Silvagni for a senior coaching role?

Talk about saying one thing and clearly moving in the other direction!

If I was this whipping boy, you'd be tearing down everything I say rather than nit-picking over little bits of it, or standing behind people who are peddling rumours like they're junkies on the streets, looking to score.

You do know better; better than to open yourself up to criticism when you've just been chip, chip, chipping away at things you don't like and gathering respect for it.

Everything in retrospect, and blurry guidance when you've got nothing to point at.

Where do you think I learnt how to do it BV?

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