Oh.. it was a well oiled mechanation exercise on how a club should be run and make decisions then???

Nahhh.. i think youre the ignorant one...

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Ok if we need a proven coach why are we telling him who he can have and who he cant have on his staff???

Look mate... go play with the chooks... youre embarassing yourself.

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\Nah Caro got to Sticks.. you have to understand Sticks likes to be liked by EVERYONE.. so Caro said "He will be remembered as having Pagans blood on his hands"

And Sticks shit himself...

Sticks is a great guy and whoever owns the remote control to Sticks is the boss of this club... so if you control the remote you too can run this footy club...

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Find the Couch... Find the Remote?

Thats it... !!!

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Electric Blue came on here a couple of weeks ago saying how would you like it if Pagan was gone and we had a coach for free for two years.

That means that whoever was putting up the money was only putting up the difference between Mitchell's salary as an assistant (lets say 150K) and his salary if he was senior coach (lets say 350K). So $400,000.

Now what else was part of the deal, was Brown also going to pay for the new assistants for the next 2 years. Does that make the contribution more towards $1M?

If he is just offering to pay for Mitchell and demanding certain assistants without paying for them then they are right to refuse it.

If he is paying for absolutely everything that has a string attached to it then it needed to be considered seriously.

But nobody knows.

If we knew exactly what the deal was we could begin to make a judgement about what the board decided.

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Obvouisly has no problems with Barry Mitchell's blood on his hands. If Mitchell has any balls he should leave once the Bullants season is over.
Does Ron Joseph still manage SOS?

Shouldn't it concern us that we have a 'remote control' in charge of the club though?

Molly.. there is alot wrong with this club... the remote control can be used for good as well as evil... but it needs someone to have a brain and understand how to use it.

Its kind of like the Ring... in the Lord of the Rings.

I think we need the pixie thinggies to deliver it to 'The One'... whoever that is...

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I can't believe people are just saying take the money.

All they are seeing is the 'Pagan Gone' part of the equation and virtually ignoring the rest.

It's like being offered 1 million dollars and a sealed brown envelope. Inside the envelope are written things that you have to do once you accept the million.

Who would just take the million?

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To sleep with Demi Moore?

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Ive seen that movie..

But anyway... we have already done that once with the AFL....

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I understand that about $1m (from various sources) was going to be tipped into the club if the board had followed through on the "Brown" proposal.

Regards

Ockham

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This is something I'm yet to see commented on and to me it's the most laughable thing in the age article this morning, sorry I'm a gumby and not sure how to put the link in here

Basically it says that one of Silvagni's conditions was that we MUST appoint Gubby Allan, currently Brisbane's football manager, to head up our department. Fair enough, I thought, he's been at Collingwood and the Lions in Premiership winning years.

A little further on however, it says Allan is yet to be approached, AND is under contract to the Lions, but his name was mentioned at the board meeting.

Quite happy for them to chase him, but does this seem a little strange to anyone else? There's a fair gap between saying someone's name and getting him to break a contract and his long term relationship wth Leigh Matthews to move to Melbourne to a club being portrayed across the country as a rabble.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 07362.html

Synbad, if you know so much then why not run for a spot on the board. All we hear are your constant claims about the board, and the coach being crap, or dumb, or blah, blah, blah. You wouldn't be voted in, because you don't have either the knowledge or the experience. Under "experience" in your cv, put "7500, balanced and objective posts on TC", and see how far you get.

An opinion is fine, but you are so black and white, and all knowing on every issues, that you simply can't be objective. Do you really know, for a fact that Sticks shit himself, because of what Caroline Wilson wrote? No, of course you don't, but you ACT as if you do. This is the critical difference between you, and Sticks, or Pagan and any other board members, isn't it Synbad. They're doing, while you're just acting.

if it was a million as Ockham's says (and he is usually spot on) then the CFC board is freakin nuts.

hello Smorgo - remember how we are $6 - $7 mil down the tubes (and sliding further AFAIK).

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What is a circus is the media beat up this whole affair has been. Speculation masquerading as fact, speculation accepted as fact and then opinion given on that speculation treated as fact. C Wilson, Grybas, SEN, are guilty imo of the worst traditions of tabloid jounalism that I have seen in a long time in regard to this issue

Lets get some perspective on this issue. Second spoon in 2 years. Does the club casually accpt this or does it undertake a review? The club does a review to its timetable not the bloody medias. some journos have a problem with that-too bad. The only people who know whats going on are the Board. Unless you have been at the meetings we are speculating on whats happened. There probably is a split in the Board. But after 2 spoons I'd be worried if there wasnt. That would be a sign of accepting mediocrity!

15, 10, 16, 16. What club woudn't be having a hard time? But we are called a 'rabble'. a 'circus' 'weak', 'dreadful' for wanting to canvass options as to what we should do. Sorry, this is called good governance.

Most of you complain endlessly about Pagan and his methods but now everyone loves him and wants him to stay. Im sick of hearing about how 'we butchered the ball today', 'were working really hard', 'no one knows what we've been thru at Carlton, 'we've butchered the ball today', 'we butchered the ball today', 'no one knows what weve been thru at Carlton'. The same old crap from Denis, pissing down are backs and tells us its raining. I'd rather here we are playing yougsters and its going to be up and down for a few seasons, or 'our list is being rebuilt its going to take a few seasons' , or even ' we're working really hard with some of the players to improve their kikcing skills under pressure' instead of the same old crap denis spouts week in week out. We know we are ordinary at the moment, i think we can take a little bit more honesty about where we are at.

Im gald Elshaugs gone and Libba too if he goes. 15, 10, 16, 16- how can we justify it if they remain? The club has to try something otherwise we and the same old journos will be sticking it to us for being mediocre. Why shouldnt the club hear ideas from Mitchell if they think he can do better? Why shouldnt we seek younger, more moden assistants? Daniher hasnt played a game for 16 years neither has Elshaugh. But Denis has got a contract? Oh dear a coach has never been sacked before whos had a contract have they. In another era Denis would have been goine by round 16 2005-contract or not. Ok the club erred by re-signing him but most journos at the time thought it was a good idea. Cant recall them saying' carlton will live to regret this' or 'I've looked into the future and carlton will win the the next 2 wooden spoons and have a coaching crisis so they better not do this'. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Fact is most people on this site probably thought it was a good idea too as we just won the night final- oh but hang on thats now a poisoned chalice isnt it?

C Wilson has been spouting the most vile crap about Carlton for some time now but most people think shes great and uncritically accept what she writes as gospel. She has an agenda. The Wilson family hate Carlton and it goes back along way. Given our great and successful history she is delighting in the public forum she has to denigrate the club at any opportunity. I would urge those people who think her stuffs good to try and seperate opinion from fact, speculation from fact, propaganda from fact. Her 2 favourite words are 'dreadful' and 'staggering'esepcially whne applied to the CFC. She is not a club insider, neither are most of these people who are offerring comment and 'news' so dont accept any 'news' uncritically. Be skeptical when you read stuff like ' the age understands' or 'this reported understands' or 'sources close to the blues who cannot be named claim' or ' we can only wonder what mike fitzpatrick makes of this'

Whats shes saying there is in fact she doesnt know either!

You 're all right. Its all Caro's fault.

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It probably shows the depth with which I read the article but I was stunned by the headline "Blues fail to support coach"

HE'S JUST WON CONSECUTIVE WOODEN SPOONS, WHAT DO YOU BLOODY EXPECT A PAT ON THE FRICKEN BACK?

That is EXACTLY what needed to happen. SOS Asst. and somebody who can actually create bigger and stronger youngsters.

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