Like everyone says SOS is a club great, but he in no way shape or form has the coaching runs on the board.

So much for a 'review' of the coaching dept. that involves the inclusion of SOS for political purposes.

Where is the wellbeing of the club in this??

Does Denis seriously think that SOS is the most suitable and qualified candidate for assistant coach?

I'd love to be proved wrong, but, judging by his media skills, I don't rate SOS' coaching and communication skills at all.

Caroline my dearest have you not noticed the position that Carlton has finished the last two years before you wrote this little line

Even those Kangaroos who still haven't forgiven him for leaving must be wondering what the coach has done to deserve this treatment.


The board had to make some kind of stand the decision last year to leave the status quo brought us to this position we are at now . something had to be done . You win two spoons some one has to be made accountable.

In this instance Pagan has had a kick in the arse and it looks like his assistants are going to go by the way side.

Although I am not entirely happy with the way this has been percieved by the media and by people on here the board has at least acted and made a statement that 2 spoons is not acceptable

The more I think about it nothing but good can come from that decision and further decisions that will be made in the coming weeks

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Have to agree with you there Titimus - I have been unimpressed by SOS's efforts on Channel Ten - he seems to state the obvious the whole time - maybe I was hoping for more insight from him and hence have judged him harshly.

Still in the cold light of day the Board has made a considered and commercial decision to back Pagan - there is nothing wrong with that. We are being told that the football club is a rabble, from Hutchy on 3AW, Caro in The Age and Damien Barrett in The Herald Sun. For mine though the
rabble is the football media, baying for a coaches blood in order to give them a story to write about. Today the focus will be on Kardinia Park and Bomber Thompson - then next week they will turn on either Neale Danaher or Grant Thomas as the loser of tomorrow night's elimination final will have deemed to have failed (by the media) as he has a great list, great team and yet has failed in successive finals series to take that ultimate prize.

These are the problems that arise when you have you have 90+ journos covering such a small game / business

There are 3 kinds of people.. the ones that hand it over without questioning.. those that have it because they dont spend it.. and those that have it because they know how it should be used.

Most of us fall in cataguory 1.
Clearly The Board and Brown fall in other cataguories.

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Typical regurgitated breakfast...
I bet the fitness coach had a contract too...

PS are you Denis' mum???

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If Brown is so committed to the prosperity of the club is he going to form a ticket to implement real change?

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I dont think Brown would be allowed to run...

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I don't understand why it was all a circus......

We've finished with successive wooden spoons - with fewer wins than last year - so naturally you would expect a review of the football department to be undertaken.

When a comprehensive review is conducted and eventually presented to the board - I would expect that the presentation will include ALL options.

Naturally board members will have an opinion one way or another, and they may stick with that opinion or change it as a result of the facts presented from the review.

I would expect vibrant discussions at board level and I would not expect all board members to agree on every issue.

The above is what would happen in any business that wants to succeed.

On the day of the first board meeting - Smorgon had said he didn't expect a decision to be made that day.....there was no decision that night - but people were still bleating about an indecisive board. Why rush any decision?

So the board has obviously decided they couldn't get rid of the coach so I'd expect most assistant coaches to be given the boot and get new people in, people who are not Pagans' YES MEN.

With these new coaches on board I'd then expect vibrant discussions at match committee level (not "Yes you're Right Denis", "OK we'll do it your way" type discussions but proper arguments put forward about giving the kids a go and what tactics to use etc

So the board keep Pagan.....why do people (eg journo's) expect Sticks or Gleeson to resign. All they've done is canvass (maybe even pushed) the option of sacking him.....so what.....that was one option and if that was the way they were leaning that's fine.....I don't expect every board member to agree on every issue....I expect them to be professional enough to question things and it seems that's happened.

FOR THE RECORD:

1) I wasn't convinced one way or another about Pagan - however - I want the senior coach of Carlton to be ACCESSIBLE & POSITIVE in the media

2) I would not have liked it if Mitchell was given the job without others being looked at also.

3) I hope there is a board spill (but not cos of this issue) I just don't see them doing enough.

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Is his position going to be represented on a ticket that can run then?

If he slinks off now, he will diminish in my eyes. If he was committed to change, there are still plenty of legitimate ways to go about it.

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Jarusa I really don't get your problem with Brown. The Club is on its knees in many ways and he takes a stand, with $ and conditions, that was rejected. As we all know here the Club and its supporters dont seem to have any grand plans to save the Club and at least he offered something.

The fact that it became a media circus is hardly relevant to the offer.

We should have gone in with conditions on the Blueseum - full public support as expressed via monthly articles, free tickets every week, sack anyone who won't talk to us

We chase money away.. but we want money to come in..

They want donations so this board can do whatever it wants with the money..it just doesnt work that way...

The board had an opportunity to take control by raising the money themselves.. they couldnt.. they wanted Pagan gone... but they didnt want to be shown up.

Noones going to just give them money.. and i reckon the pursestrings will be slammed shut now!

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I didn't like the offer.

Or the way it was offered.

If whoever they are want to seriously help the club, form a ticket and be judged by the members against the current board, (it would not be too difficult a thing to do) instead of skulking around in shadows.

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Democracy is too slow Jarusa, a bit of tyranny can work wonders. Or a perceived well timed offer. Look they tried, it was rejected and hopefully the interest will develop into something more....

but giving cash takes a lot less time than running for the Board.

Im happy someone still cares.

I'd rather people who are prepared to work hard to get on the board rather than taking easy options.

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bit of a coup d etat though Molsey isn't it?

I'd now like to see them follow through (so to speak)

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Can i just say how stupid some of you sound when you say "Lucky Smorgon didnt accept Browns money (strings attached)"
when Smorgon begged the AFL to give us money and had the AFL give us money with a new board member and a new CEO..

Smorgon has more money than Brown....

You people are trippers!!!

Can you just please understand the reality of where were at??

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Tend to agree.....Brown at least made an effort to do something and offer the club a solution which the board have been incapable of doing..I dont mind the media circus because some of the bozo's running the club are actually being exposed ie Kernahan....

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I bet the fitness coach had a contract too...which the Board chose to cancel...after considering the options. See how it works??

What's this garbage about the Board doing backflips and being indecisive? All I heard from the Board was that they were reviewing all coaching staff - which they did - and announced their decision. Sure there was probably spirited discussions behind closed doors, and their preferences may have been swayed. But they never changed their public stance. If you would prefer a Board that made decisions on limited information and refused to be persuaded by better information, then maybe you're the ingnorant one?

According to all the media reports..Sticks did the biggest backflip of all time...after throwing his lot in with Brown/Gleeson and co and pushing up for Mitchell..he got cold feet and supported Pagan at the last miniute and hung poor Barry Miitchell out to dry....Mitchell will end up being the fall guy and Sticks gets to survive and do it all again...

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If, as reported, the conditions attached to the "Brown Deal" included appointing the full coaching staff (all of whom have limited coaching experience), then I am also glad that it was not accepted. Surely this is more invasive and has a potentially greater impact than the conditions attached to the AFL cash?