No im not.. gullable cos we had to leave the ground...
Im saying that Brown at least had a proposal that was different to same old same old.. and that made it more acceptable than a club going nowhere doing the same thing.
did it come with strings???Sure it did.. but does anyone give you anything if you dont have to do anything for it KERMIT??? of course not.. because the real world doesnt work like that.
The board knows Denis should go.. but they dont have the balls or the money to do it...

The other thing is its about self preservation.. and they dont want Browns group getting a bigger toe hold on the club..

The club needs a change of direction KERMIT.. it has nothing to do with your pissy MCC toickets that become more worthless by the year (unless u love the boxing day test)
The move elped take us into this century... and Brown might help us go further into this century...

Sure Pagan has a three year contract with 2 years to go... but that doesnt mean he has to coach three years out and 2 more.. does it??

Because he can be compensated to go...

It doesnt mean he has to coach.. it just means he is guaranteed the $$$$$$.. which i have never disputed for Denis.

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I don't do this often, but Synners:

And let's not even get on to your latest walking set of finger-pointing examples in Neil Craig, Synners.

The Adelaide board couldn't have assessed that putting in a sports scientist with a rich football history and encouraging him to apply modern techniques to football on a larger scale would be a new and innovative stance to take, could they?

Craig's not a true football mind, he's using developed and experimental techniques and simply applying them to football.

That's mildly innovative by the board, not by Craig. I suspect in time he will be shot to pieces by a truly innovative thinker, or by failing to produce real scalability to his play.

That's not to say we shouldn't allocate room for a person like Craig and a portion of the analysts in the football department to assist them in research. But to throw them in the coaching position long-term is not my idea of a wise move.

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So, you are seriously stating as a cold hard fact that Denis & co.. Have made certain players cry?

You're not just talking about McKernan are you?

I don't think it would be the first time a coach's contract was broken ....

I was talking about the AFL reportedly intervening in the decision on Pagan one day after they said they would butt out. I might have gone a touch overboard but I'm sure Agro has already finished the job for me.

Ah, I see.

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No... i was told by a person who has a big role around match day that a certain player cried and his g/f told someone and it got back to the coaching staff and they turned him into a joke...

The person who told me thought it was funny....

.. i didnt... and i was hoping that kid would improve under another coach next year...

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I think the whole thing sticks.

If FB wants to ignite true change at the club I welcome it. Form a ticket and run. Doing it this way is piss week. Not only has it failed (as it should have) but it will likely bring down some worthy people with it.

What happens to Mitchell now?

It's head up your arse stuff, clutching at straws and looking for a quick fix. All the things I honestly thought you did not represent.

Quite frankly it has been a shameful episode and all those who rubbed thier hands together and peddled the rumour need to take thier share of the blame in this.

But you miss the point... it is not just FB its a host of people.. with alot of ex players.. and money people.
Craig Hutchens said it was around the million dollar mark...
thats some serious cash to get rid of a coach...

Now i bet that this lot of people will make a run... because theyre not satisfied!!!...

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You prefer the Nero approach?

Bottom line for me is this. With our crippling debt, we simply couldnt afford to pay out 2 years of Pagan's contract. Ask yourself this: if you were on the Board would you want a former player, dictating not only who should be head coach but also who the assistants should be? I know I wouldnt.

Yes Browny's offer came with significant $$$$$ but the conditions attached to that offer were simply too much AFAIC (I dont have a lot of faith in Barry Mitchell as Coach either). For me it's a reasonable decison the Board rejected Fraser's offer.

Pagan survives because we can't pay him out. Simple as that. No benefactor has stepped forward to bail us out of DP's contract- without significant strings attached. I dont see a problem with what the board has done. Their hands were tied! Whether DP has lost some of the players or not isn't the overriding issue- unfortunately.....it's impossible to turf Denis out if we dont have the money. We all knew that was the situation prior to the so-called review and nothing has changed since.

HOWEVER.....

What really irks me out of all this is the way it has been handled.....turning the whole thing into a media circus only for the resulting outcome to be a retention of the status quo... Ridiculous!! How bad does that look???? Creating a media frenzy with the to-ing and fro-ing only for the end result to be "as you were"!... It only confirms we have absolutely NO IDEA what the hell we're doing!!! Unforgiveable turn of events over the past 2 days... what should have been kept in-house has now become an absolute embarrasment that's now been made public for the rest of the world to see! We are a joke on the field, and now we've just confirmed to the world we're a joke off it as well!!! What the hell has my Club turned into???

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That is based on the knowledge the playing group raised concerns to management about Den Den staying as coach.

Cheers.

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Enjoy losiing idiot.

As a pragmatist, I don't really see a problem with a compromise which would achieve the most important result, that of moving Pagan on and getting a fresh start.

Instead, what we now have is a coach they clearly don't really want, hanging on, with assistants he really does not want ... do you think that's a good developmental solution for the football department? Cos to me, it absolutely sucks. Pagan still remains as the coach who reputedly listens to no one but perhaps his most trusted cronies. Not to mention a long term reputation for player humiliations.

And I guess they at least brought this to a head in the week after the end of the season, to allow maximum time for everyone to work together

I guess though thats it not really brought to a head - 6 losses to start the year and we'll see what happens....and not sure the solution will let everyone work together.

But hey, they brought it to a head!

And the assistants are gone. Thats gotta count for something?

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How do you spell losing?

I think you should contribute to the guidelines thread if you want to call someone an idiot for having a different opinion.

there's a difference between having an opinion and being a w@nker. If you don't like it go tell something who cares. As for the spelling, it's called a typo or is that too hard to work out. Suppose you're so clever you've never done one.

I can see where your coming from Heady IF pagan has indeed lost most of the playing group.... unfortunately, I'm coming from a position where I dont know to what extent... is it a significant portion of the playing group that find their relationship with the coach unworkable? I dont know.

Just to add re Fraser Brown thing, AFAIC the strings attached were too much.... We're talking about the most important position football-wise (head coach) plus assistants... head coach influences not only the players but marketing and supporter base... if FB had chosen someone a bit better qualified and more marketable than Mitchell, and without dictating the assistants as well, I would've accepted the offer.... hell I would've even given him a Board position for the $$$.... but to me what he wanted in return was way too much! I would've done exactly what the Board did and rejected it.

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The way this has been handled makes me be ashamed that i am a paid up member.
This should have been delt with behind closed doors.
Or was that part of the plan to make the current board look hopeless to effect a board spill from what i have read in the last 17 pages, if this is what they have done a good job
What the Club needs
Oct 06- Mar 07
GOOD, POSITIVE news, new blood through the draft how much extra weight murphy, keneddy have put on etc..
All this negative news make us look worse than we are, bring on the draft and bring on 07.
At least one good thing has happened (the season is over)