Can't say I'm at all happy with this decision from the board but to be quite honest they were not exactly lining up saying give the job to me.

I hope this is the kick up the arse that Pagan needed , I hope he can learn from this and take the club forward and not backward like he has been doing.

I hope he doesn't see this as a ringing endorsment of his coaching style and carries on the way he has been.

I hope we see a Fevola like turn around he Pagan next year and I hope we are all singing the praises of the board for making such a calculated and brave decision .

We can only hope that come round 7 next year we are not sitting with 2 hard fought wins 4 honouralble losses and coming off the back of a Pagan 10 goal plus flogging

This could be a good thing.

Denis Pagan take this on board learn from it consult your peers ask for advice and listen to people around you . You have been given a second chance now use it and use it to the betterment of our football club

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They must have been on some serious drugs in that board meeting tonight because of all the possible outcomes they could have reached they've arrived at unquestionably the most stupid and illogical.

I mean just think about it for a minute. It makes no logicial sense. How can you hold all of the club assistants to account and not the senior coach? It's insane. Pagan is responsible for the assitant coaches. Either they all go, or none of them go, with the possible exception of Mitchell for purely practical reasons.

I can't work with these idiots

Those were fairly early days of the draft. I doubt whether clubs could get away with it these days.

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Who would put up his hand to replace Pagan if we finish rockbottom again?

Would you want to work for a divided board that has no direction?

They all have to go sooner rather than later and they've signed their own death warrants.

Silver lining.

Told you it was all part of filming for Twisted Tales. Pagan staying being the obvious twist. What a great imagination Bryan Brown and his crew have.

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Ok... a couple of things.
1)SOS threw his hat in the ring before Mitch can get the job.....
2) the board fears a takeover from guys like Brown Gleeson etc.

3) the board has no faith in a no name...

4) we have a 700k pa coach who has to be told how to do his job and who to put on as staff... but we "every confidence in him"

5) Did the players get consulted while they were having a piss up in Sydney??... if they did was their input an important part of the decision?

6) What happens round 8 next year of the players have had enough again???.....

Last year there was a problem... Denis was allowed to get his way.. and it snowballed... and got bigger.. and we have a crisis.. but still no real change.....so whats around the corner???.... A BLIZZARD of epic proportions.. if this isnt the weakest board of all time.... pathetic.. self serving.... and hows the coach??... has he no pride????

No wonder we are shit!!!!

But it will all come to a head in my opinion.. this thing is just getting bigger and bigger till something gives... absolutely disgraceful!!!

And people wonder why i spit it!!!

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Support the coach - well we have to I guess, but it is done in the knowledge that Pagan has run out of chances.

Made a bit easier in the knowledge that theres likely to be an assistant that might take over if things dont go to plan.

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Would Marc Murphy (and Dad John) still have chosen to play with Carlton over Brisbane if it was this draft and not the last?....I wonder....

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That is pretty obvious. This whole "positioning" oneself to replace Pagan by default makes me nauseous. If SOS wants the job, why doesn't he go coach a side and show everyone he can actually cut the mustard.

Great post SB.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Those were the old days when players were writing to clubs to warn them off....eg Pyman and Mckay.
The other type of problem is the Headland, Anthony Rocca type of draftee
who indicate from day 1 after being drafted that they will be wanting out at the end of the contract..Llane Spandermann who some think is worth drafting wanted out of Brisbane very early and had a bad attitude I believe from day 1 and just wanted out and back with his mates in WA...
I dont think Gibbs is the run home to mummy style...and its less of a problem than it was...

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They might be trying hard.. but theyre bananas...
they are incomepetent.
they are not worthy of being in charge.

Livo tries harder and he is going to get the flick...

Ill buy my membership and im going to vote....

Whats the bet tis raises its ugly head again by round 10???

Weak flower!!!(yes but they try hard ....)

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Isn't every potential coach in the same boat?

We're likely to have at least 3 new assistant coaches next season, they'll all be 'positioning' themselves to eventually become coach and none of them will have coached a side before.

Will you say the same things about Michael Voss?

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

They have no faith in themselves other than Kernahan and Gleeson?

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I don't think that's the issue. I'm sure Denis has been doing all he can .... the problem is, all he can do is not what is needed.

Voss is different ...its just when he takes over from Matthews, not if..I just see SOS as the boards fallback position when the Pagan things blows up again....

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True, but Murph had the option of a F/S. 99.9% of draftees don't.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Well all i can see out of this is a compromise but will wait for what the appointment of who will be the assistants and support coaching appointments

The board have there last chance to get soemthing right..

Ideally they can appoint a mix of good assistant coaching options and coaches who are in waiting in the wings

2 Appointments i would like to see one looks certain
* SOS - he is keen to get more involved wants to coach senior footy will connect well with the kids and is a carlton Legend and Full back of the Centuary. Our backs need a inspiring Ex Carlton Icon who has huge resepct and will be a good appointement. Eade also has given him a positive spin as being of great benefit.

* Cresswell should be chased also another aspirant for senior coaching and been under Roos / Mathews ... Has been given very good feedback for midfield coaching.

Both these options would be able to take over if Pagan was to leave / dismissed at an earlier stage.

The third option for forward would need to be looked into but i am sure there are a few options available.

One major problem we have had is that we havnt had a assistant under our wings who we would all see as a genuine replacement. In a poll most people suggested many alternatives and this has to be addressed now so that if there is a change over the next 2 years we have1 or 2 credible options to take over the senior coaching gig.

I will wait and see what the board do .. if they dont make any proper changes then there will be no back up plan and there will be same crap delivered over the next 2 years.

This should have happened last year Pagan should have had a new assistant coaching panel and we wouldnt be in this shit we are in today

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After the Collo stab in the back by the gutless , opportinistic pieces of shit.. i was lucky enough to chat to a director... he told me "SOS will be the next coach after Denis"

I asked what SOS had done to prove his worth???

He said "SOS is doing wonderful work out there.... "

Its just more clutching at straws.... and having no idea...!!!

Mitchell was the prefect guy for 2 years to just develop a list and work on a young lists skills...then re assess.

Theyre weak!!!.. and it will come to a head.. and SOS who has no coaching experience will be the only one left to take over.. and then one day he will have to cop it in the neck too.. because thats the nature of the business,...

They have no idea....

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Might have been a bad example, but I meant if he became assistant at Carlton.

What about if Darren Cresswell was appointed?

Is it a bad thing to have a fall back position? They should have resolved the issue over the last 2 days, but its better than having nothing.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010