Latest: Board meeting over. Decision 'within the week'

Synbad · **Posted:** Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:43 am

Yeah it might be the difference that theyre paying.

Ok heres one for you.. board = another backflip
Denis = gone--- very soon.

Rod Waddell · **Joined:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1651

Synbad wrote:

But the board in all its wisdom appointed Sticks and Bear to conduct the review. :lol:

Bear - Synners what's wrong with appointing a surburban financial planner :-D

George Harris · **Posted:** Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:47 am

Synbad, please be right.

Synbad · **Posted:** Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:49 am

Its imminent unless they flip over again....

steve · **Posted:** Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:50 am

This board does more backflips than the seaworld dolphins!

Synbad · **Posted:** Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:52 am

I think they will stick with this one....

marciblue · **Posted:** Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:53 am

Ok, I know it seems to be very popular to correlate our drop off in memberships to Pagan's style of coaching and game plan, however, maybe the drop is simply because a lot of supporters have had enough of how shit we are.

Yes, Pagan shares some blame in this area but even blind freddy knows that there are a lot of reasons behind our demise besides Denis' coaching ability (or lack thereof). I'm not a DP supporter but I think it is a tad far-fetched to directly link a drop off in membership to DP.

Even talkback last night indicated a lot of (foolish) supporters are supporting Pagan and want him to hang around. Even after so many shocking years the guy continues to have this aura about him amongst a lot of supporters and cannot be blamed for our plight! :roll:

camel · **Posted:** Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:54 am

moshe25 wrote:

Quote:

"Carlton is going through a process and it's a very important decision for the club and we've got to get it right and we're looking at all issues that are being presented from management to the board," Smorgon said.

"We are looking at improvements and to see what changes can be made to improve the operations of the whole club. Clearly we're looking for a change in improving the club and the performance of that (football) department."

Fantastic. John Cleese is our president.

(And he has Orally men fixing the place up)

And Pagan asking "Where is door? Door is gone!".

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:55 am

Had the Board met last night for 18 hours, it would not have been a problem but for the club stating that they would make a statement to media afterwards AND then not have decided on anything, smacked of confusion.

Why have a press conference only to not say anything?

I would not have been on tenterhooks last night if I was not expecting a statement from the club afterwards.

Drewgirl · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:57 pm **Posts:** 4778

Synbad.

I hope you are right this time. I hope they hurry up before they change their minds. Are you able to indicate whether YOU think its Mitchell or someone else. Probably not I suppose.

blueman · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm **Posts:** 2220

OK, here's the rest for verbs...

Pagan leaves in controversial circumstances and is replaced by a young coach.

This new coach is considerable more successful and we have a season where we show real improvement

We finish the home and away part of that year in the lower part of the final 8.

We have a great deal of good luck (probably meaning that we have few injury worries) and show additional improvement towards the end of that season.

However, the year in which this occurs is one when there is a very bad war going on in the world. This war affects everyone in some way.

Really though I think that the idea of the board insisting on a 'name' coach is stupid.

There arent many name coaches available. As has been said previously what is really needed is someone that can relate to the young players and get the best out of them.

a teambuilding year and a handful of wins is the best that can be expected in 2007.

However you should never rule out something dramatic happening.

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:58 am

blueman wrote:

OK, here's the rest for verbs...

Pagan leaves in controversial circumstances and is replaced by a young coach.

This new coach is considerable more successful and we have a season where we show real improvement

We finish the ho0me and away part of that year in the lower part of the final 8.

We have a great deal of good luck (probably meaning that we have few injury worries) and show additional improvement towards the end of that season.

However, the year in which this occurs is one when there is a very bad war going on in the world. This war affects everyone in some way.

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

blueman wrote:

However, the year in which this occurs is one when there is a very bad war going on in the world. This war affects everyone in some way.

Curious.

Rod Waddell · **Joined:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1651

Synbad wrote:

.........The reason why they wont do it now.. when a couple of days they would have is people have highlighted the fact that Mitch is a no namer... which is a bit of a risk for a board that has no clue or confidence in themselves.

Can i ask anyone.. who the hell is Clarkson????

But Hawthorn made tough choices.. didnt go with a big name coach and chopped older players for youth.. their young players, their supporters and their sponsors are pretty happy.

On the other side of the ledger there is us... paralysed to make any choice in case it is the wrong choice.

Im just happy ex players care enough to create a choice....

Synbad I know we're you heading here BUT Hawthorn's selection of Clarkson dragged on for weeks. It was played out in the press, both Dermott & Dunstall had their say, Ayres was the favourite, etc it was not clean.

showbag · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 2664

steve wrote:

I don't agree with Synbad's assertion that nobody would want to coach us. I agree that the field might be narrowed a little by the state the club is in, but there are some positives for a new coach:

1) A list of young kids who have had some game time and are/will get better
2) The first draft pick, 3 in the top 20 and 5 in the top 50 or so
3) The first pick in the PSD
4) After two wooden spoons noone would be expecting too much, 5-7 wins would be seen be the media as a fantastic result, and around 4 wouldn't be perceived badly
5) If the board can be pushed around, a strong figure might even find that attractive in terms of getting the structures around them correct.

The point here that makes me like the idea of a coach from outside Carlton is that we have PSD pick 1. If we get a new coach who has been an assistant at another club, surely they will be able to persuade one of their uncontacted young brigade that a change of clubs, where they already know the new coach would be just the thing to kickstart their career...

billc3 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:41 pm **Posts:** 4629

I thinbk Ockham's Razor is spot on....
BUT I also have to agree with Synbad....the leaking to the media etc. is part of the construction of the summary!

Here's what's going to happen....view the response....base the spin on what the response is.
It appeasr that once the response was viewed, the board started dithering....that's bad, very bad. The rumour mill will work overtime, the media is pissed off and the uncertainty of the board (which is there!) will only increase....and that's NOT the time to be making decisions!
(Like I said...decision made prior to leak to media)

As much as I can't stand Howard....look at how he operates....release the decision....then manage the spin.....

london blue · **Joined:** Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:08 pm **Posts:** 3265

backflip? backflip? backflip?

what the??.....until they announce a decision under a due process they have done no backflips.

I would argue that those informed by a legitimate contact (and thank you for sharing), would not have the complate picture without being present at the meeitng themselves.

The strength and weaknesses of committe's and boards allows debate and an exchange of opinion.

Backflips is only relevant in the context of us wanting them to make an announcement according to our own time frame here at TC.

verbs · **Posted:** Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:09 am

What response were the board members reacting to?

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

This club is [REDACTED].

Ockham's Razor · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:27 pm **Posts:** 1689

Danny

Quote:

sounds very reasonable OR unless
the Board had decided on a set path and began to 'leak' that out to people (ie Kenny, EB, Synbad) and then changed their mind sbecause they were too scared of the ramifications of their decision.

If what you say is right I am fine with the whole thing - quite happy for Denis to stay on in fact.

If the latter though then the board is gutless and right now the last thing we need is a gutless Baord to scared to do what it wants to do for fear of the protest.

It is possible also that a few board members pre-meeting, thought that the decision was over the line and then started leaking to others, got into the meeting last night, realised it wasn't "over the line".

ie They leaked too early when they should have held on :wink:

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