Since they apparantly changed their mind on sacking Pagan.

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Denis must have alot of relatives too.

80%......how does explain the drop in membership. I'd bet it won't go back to it's former levels the way things are now.

I'm not sure a week spent further analysing options isn't a bad idea - it's an important decision and perhaps they're sounding out managers about certain coaches in waiting??

Who knows, but I've been asking for considered judgements to be made by the club and I believe they may be doing just that - in this case they haven't rushed in to supporting Pagan for instance.

Perhaps they've already agreed DP is gone; perhaps a benefactor has agreed to step in and assist in the payout; perhaps they need a week to sort out detail in order to make a strong announcement.

If they come out next week and announce Pyke, McKenna or Mitchell et al, coach and an arrangement for Pagan gone and a new sponsor/s for next year coming on board or old heads returning, then they will have been seen to have followed an appropriate path by many on this forum who are now bitching about how directionless they are.

If not, then crucify them for wasting time and @#$%&! it up.

But in the meantime, we have no information on which to make a decision.

And please, don't take too much notice of what a few of the journos come out with - much of it is only to fill live crosses or copy. And much of the stuff that is leaked is leaked for a reason.

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I reckon that's a fair call WBY.

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Who is "they" though? No decision has been made on anything. It's quite possible, without all the media hype, the Club would be in exactly the same position it is this morning. Anyone who's sat on a committee would know just how round and round these meetings go. It's infuriating. Even with someone like Iron Fist Jack running the show you're still faced with hours upon hours of people prattling on and on and on, everyone having their say, people changing their minds, people being stubborn.

If you want the decision to be made by committee, don't expect anything to happen quickly.

If you want the decision to be made by an authoritarian who will check the numbers and strike (like it used to be - read the appointment of Pagan), we would most likely have a new coach by now.

Assuming that nobody on the board was willing to dip into their own pockets to fund a payout & the supposed benefactor would only contribute to a payout if Mitchell was the replacement coach;

then surely the board did what every Carlton supporter would want them to do:

• they presumably assessed the situation;
• decided that Mitchell wasn’t who the Board wanted as a coach (it is after all their job as directors to make this decision – not the “benefactor’s decision);
• made a decision to clarify funding for a payout.

Given the parlous state of the Club’s finances, the board would have been derelict in its duties to have proceeded to sack DP without certainty as to how it would fund any payout.

It is possible that they will use the next week to assess funding scenarios.

The board is under no obligation to make a decision in a timeframe to satisfy us or the media. Much better that the right decision is made rather than a hasty decision.

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In the cold light of day Ockham you are right.

In the cold darkness of last night I wanted a freaking answer!

I dont have a problem with Fraser Brown offering the 1.2 mill to pay Pagan out...someone has to do something and credit to him for stepping up to the plate...none of the other so called white knights have done anything or contributed..at least Brown has shown he still cares for the club.

Ok he is pushing Mitchells bandwagon and conspiracy theory's abound but I have yet to see another coaching prospect actually put his hand up and say I will do the job for peanuts ...

While I would like to see a decent interview process and all the "t's" crossed and "i's" dotted it wont happen..not with a basketcase organisation like the carlton football club is at the moment.

The club need to terminate Pagans services....his position is now untenable....
take Browns money for the payout...appoint Mitchell with a new team of assistants ....Contracts for two years only and then reviewed....
You dont need 5 hours, just a decent board capable of common sense decision making.....we need to stop the bleeding and stabalise the patient..

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Fitzpatrick WAS present last night...along with...
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Concur with this.

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Wouldnt it be nice if they just came out and said what actually went on at this bloody meeting!!!!!

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Fantastic. John Cleese is our president.


(And he has Orally men fixing the place up)

I don't agree with Synbad's assertion that nobody would want to coach us. I agree that the field might be narrowed a little by the state the club is in, but there are some positives for a new coach:

1) A list of young kids who have had some game time and are/will get better
2) The first draft pick, 3 in the top 20 and 5 in the top 50 or so
3) The first pick in the PSD
4) After two wooden spoons noone would be expecting too much, 5-7 wins would be seen be the media as a fantastic result, and around 4 wouldn't be perceived badly
5) If the board can be pushed around, a strong figure might even find that attractive in terms of getting the structures around them correct.

Even the media have started to talk about our kids this season, the public perception (ie non Carlton fan) is definately starting to change. This will also be viewed as a positive by a potential coach.

The biggest single thing I see stopping a potential new coach signing is the contract terms. As a new coach, you'd want a 3 year contract to turn this around and be judged fairly on performance, but I reckon this board will be gun shy over the DP situation and only offer 2 years.

I don't think I have read anywhere that Brown is paying out the $1.2M.

It sounds more like Brown will pay the difference wrt Mitchell as assistant and Mitchell as senior coach.

Can anyone with sauce confirm what exactly Brown is offering the club?

$1.2M sounds like a very large investment for someone like Brown. At a guess I reckon it would likely be much smaller than that.

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Agree Jarusa, that's how I read it too. And if he's the front man for a group of ex players, they could just be tipping in say $20,000 each (eg 8 ex players giving $160,000) to turn an assistant coaches salary into a low head coaches salary.

This makes the most sense, the club is no worse off if it sacks DP, and the players don't have to find too much cash.

One sticking point there, if we sacked DP, would we be in breach of contract and have to pay out the remaining contract up front if DP didn't agree to receiving the money over time? Could this be the sticking point?

Denis may have threatened the board that if he is sacked he will blow the whole tanking story out into the public and get the club in trouble with the AFL for cheating again, Black Friday II. </joke>

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Jar,

Don't even joke about that!

sounds very reasonable OR unless
the Board had decided on a set path and began to 'leak' that out to people (ie Kenny, EB, Synbad) and then changed their mind sbecause they were too scared of the ramifications of their decision.

If what you say is right I am fine with the whole thing - quite happy for Denis to stay on in fact.

If the latter though then the board is gutless and right now the last thing we need is a gutless Baord to scared to do what it wants to do for fear of the protest.

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I agree with most of what you have said, and lets face it, the window of opportunity for someone to become a coach can be quite small - Mark Harvey (no thanks) has been waiting for 5+ years for a chance and still can't get a gig. These 'coaches in waiting' would be super confident types that belive they could turn things around and would jump at the chance to coach at senior level.

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Yup, and it's been pretty stable lately, no coaching changes for at least the last couple of years...