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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:40 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Now - here's my two cents...
The review process; and the boards' recommendation - I believe - will target Elshaug. He's gone, but Pagan stays - to be assessed during 2007. That leaves DP with a decision...accept the change/s to his coaching staff and therefore the amended contract (a condition written in as part of his contract is that he can have 1 assistant of his choosing) - or leave with a payout, provided that the club has the funds from the so-called 'group' written in concrete. A second review to be done - this time from respected Carlton people outside the inner sanctum (Fitzpatrick / Maclure / Walls / Glascott / etc) to recruit the 2007 coaching staff. Libba / TD to reapply for their jobs...Dempsey retained as ruck coach. Mitchell by no means guarenteed of the top job...he has to demonstrate why he is the best person for the job.


That's the sort of half arsed weak effort I'd expect from Carlton lately. :roll:

Either Denis Pagan is the best person to coach our young list for the next few years or he's not.
If he is, go with him.
If not which I have no doubt is the case, piss him off now.

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Is Sticks not responsible for two of our wins this year with a motivational speech at half time? Doesn't make Pagan's record any the better, and little wonder Sticks is pushing for change.

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Disco & The Explosion over at footytalk.com.au have been calling for Stick's head for two years on their podcast.
There are a few people out there who can see past "hero-worship" for what life really is about and these two blokes seem to be on the ball.
Surprisingly both are actually Carlton supporters - which I didn't see coming.

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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Now - here's my two cents...
The review process; and the boards' recommendation - I believe - will target Elshaug. He's gone, but Pagan stays - to be assessed during 2007. That leaves DP with a decision...accept the change/s to his coaching staff and therefore the amended contract (a condition written in as part of his contract is that he can have 1 assistant of his choosing) - or leave with a payout, provided that the club has the funds from the so-called 'group' written in concrete. A second review to be done - this time from respected Carlton people outside the inner sanctum (Fitzpatrick / Maclure / Walls / Glascott / etc) to recruit the 2007 coaching staff. Libba / TD to reapply for their jobs...Dempsey retained as ruck coach. Mitchell by no means guarenteed of the top job...he has to demonstrate why he is the best person for the job.


This ones still worrying me.
If the board dont believe in Pagan, let him go.
Dont make Elshaugh his scapegoat!

This will be the weakest decision in the recent history of our club.

Do they have the courage required? Unfortunately, I'm having doubts. :(

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It's unfortunate we were unable to see what Mitch is capable of on match day at AFL level. If only he was given something like 5 weeks to show his wares in the coaching box. Perhaps then the board would be able to get an indication as to what he is capable of.

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phoenix johnson wrote:
It's unfortunate we were unable to see what Mitch is capable of on match day at AFL level. If only he was given something like 5 weeks to show his wares in the coaching box. Perhaps then the board would be able to get an indication as to what he is capable of.


Yeah but nah. To have achieved that we would have had to have removed Pagan mid-season (late-season)?

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sticks = carlton

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sticks = carlton


yeah fiddlel sticks!

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I've had strong thoughts on Kernahan ever since teh Elliott saga unfolded. Here is what I wrote on another post a few weeks ago...

"In regards to the review being conducted by Kernahan and Gleeson...I realise I am about to hang myself out as a stationary target here, but here goes...

There is no doubt that Kernahan has been an absolute champion of this club, and that his heart is dark navy blue from top to bottom. However, that doesn't ensure that someone is good at what they are trying to do.

At the extraordinary general meeting that was called to oust John Elliott, Kernahan, representing the incumbant Elliott board, stood up to give his talk, and then field questions from members. He was then, as he is now, both a member of the board, and a member of the match committee, whilst also then being a part time assistant coach.

When asked about the performance of the coaches and the match committee, Kernahan responded that they, and he, took full responsibility for the performance on the field, and that they, and he, had failed in their task.

When asked about the performance of the Board, he replied, "I am not the one to ask about that, it's not my area of expertise, you are better off directing that question to John (Elliott)".

Kernahan's performance at that meeting was poor to say the least. He admitted that he had failed as an assistant coach and member of the match committee, as well as a member of the Boad, that is, everything he has been charged by the club to do. And all the time telling members that they should vote for the incumbent Ellliott board.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Kernahan has a conflict of interest with his two positions, regardless of his performance...he is a member of a committee that appoints himself.

There must be serious question marks against his ability to conduct an IMPARTIAL review of the football department, given that he is a member of that football department."

There have been 2 articles written in the papers today that have questioned Kernahan's role at the club, or more specifically, his ability to competently and successfully carry out his tasks.

I know there is alot of emotional attachements to him, that he is a chapion of the Club and a favourite amongst supporters, however, I am yet to see any evidence that he is actually doing anything positive at Board level or on the MC. It has already ben pointed out in this forum that he has been involved in a series of hirings and firings, none of which has actually taken us forward. It has also been pointed out in this forum that many, many people are disenchanted with the selection process that has gone on over the last few years. Ask yourself who is the Chairman of Selectors.

And that's on top of where all this started, his role on the Elliott board, which singlehandedly brought this club to its knees. Kernahan was a part of that, and fought for that Board right to the bitter end.

As I mentioned above, Stephen Kernahan was a champion player at the Carlton Football Club, a two-time Premiership captain, and perhaps the greatest captain this club has had. And he loves the club just as we love the club. And for that I will always love him, he will always be a hero.

Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that he makes a good Director, nor member of the match committee.

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Hello?? Anybody out there? I'm disappointed...where are the arrows and darts???

Or do people agree?

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How many other clubs have people involved in both the administration and the football department?

This is the main part I don't like.



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Jarusa wrote:
How many other clubs have people involved in both the administration and the football department?

This is the main part I don't like.




Richmond and Miller? That's the only one I can think of.


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[quote="Dr.SHERRIN"]Sticks says "I'll go to Siberia if we win the wooden spoon"...and so far I don't think he has - so he's not a man of his word either :roll:

" Calling Mr.Stephen Kernahan - the 1.00pm flight for Vladivostok has now boarded; please make your way to Gate 4"

Didnt sticks say " if we lose to Essendon* i will go to Siberia " talking about the upcoming game which ended up being a draw.

If this is the case please strike DR Sherrins comment off the record.


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Jarusa wrote:
How many other clubs have people involved in both the administration and the football department?

This is the main part I don't like.



http://saints.com.au/default.asp?pg=insidetheclub&spg=stafflist :?:


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Lovely to make your acquantence too 'club 29'.

You've taken me out of context...*see rolling eyes. Was in response to another post.

Sounds like you've been watching too much 'Boston Legal'! ..."struck from the record"...can't wait to see the transcripts! next witness - Stephen Kernahan.


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Maybe this is the start of Sticks actually influencing things.

Carlton has always had people like this on the Board and it has been extremely successful.

Someone needs to put a rocket up the place and it looks like Sticks is actually getting of his arse and doing something.

Better than one certain Board member discussing the issuing of the Number 5 jumper to Kennedy without her consent because her great grandfathers uncles mothers next door neighbour played 3 games and this Board member should have been consulted about it before it was given to a rookie.

Give me a friggin break. I bet the Pies don't discuss this crap at Board level. They get on with business. Lets hope Sticks is planning the same thing.

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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Lovely to make your acquantence too 'club 29'.

You've taken me out of context...*see rolling eyes. Was in response to another post.

Sounds like you've been watching too much 'Boston Legal'! ..."struck from the record"...can't wait to see the transcripts! next witness - Stephen Kernahan.


Nice one. Boston legal hehehe.

I was just taking the piss.

Dont bag sticks though.


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Look - I hate bagging him....but I reckon it might be in the best interest of the Footy Club if he had a 2 year leave of absence from the place.

Take it easy - write a manifesto - get some things off his chest - go travelling - drink some latte with the boys (who will still be plotting like Guy Fawkes) - put some Tammy Wynette on the stereo and look forward to getting back into the thick of things come 2009. By which time the current board will be long gone - some old mates of his will have a good list to work with and he might add a few years to his life!


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It has become clear to me, perhaps belatedly, that Sticks is in an untenable position at the football club.

Lets see if I can get this right:


2002 - Involved in the sacking of Wayne Brittain for obtaining the first wooden spoon in the clubs history

2002 - Heavily involved in the coup to woo Pagan from North Melbourne which included a very high salary

2002 - Sees in a new board and President after Elliot is ousted

2002 - 2005 - Presides over the club as Director of Football during the worst performed era of the Carlton Football Club

2005 - A key player in arranging to renew Pagan's contract after winning the Wiz cup

2006 - Sees in a new President after Collins quits (or is pushed) from the role

2006 - After another dismal year conducts a review of the clubs coaching situation with mate Adrian Gleeson, which amazingly offers no recommendations but provides three possible outcomes regarding coaching structure

2006 - Prior to the board meeting reportedly endorses mate Barry Mitchell to be the new coach

2006 - Does a major about-face and once again supports Pagan


When and where is Kernahan held accountable during all of this??

He has been heavily involved with the machinations of club during the worst 5 years in the history of the Carlton Football Club.


We needed a clear and objective end of year review of the club which Sticks clearly wasn't able to produce. How can he fully endorse Mitchell as the best possible option for the future coach of the club - and then change his mind? (As the story goes).

Besides the fact that he played with and is mates with the alternative 'ticket' that were willing to oust Pagan for Mitchell.

I don't think that the best interests of the club are served by having Sticks continue in his current capacity.


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Lets see if I can get this right:


nope you have got it wrong, stop guessing and inventing your own history on events that have happened. If you want sticks to leave then you should want the entire board to go also - he is not a John Elliot type who runs everything there.

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