Coaching Axe Looms for Denis Pagan

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18077

I actually like Ian Collins but comments like these are disgraceful

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"I don't know how he can be paid out. They haven't got the money to do that. Do they borrow from the AFL and then pay him out with the other hand? Where's the money? It doesn't make sense," Collins said yesterday.

A simple case of Collins stirring the pot instead of backing the club.
There was no need to comment on the AFL funding.
I expect no better from nonsensical hasbeens like Elliott and Lofts but I thought Collo put the clubs interests before his own bitterness.

Very disappointing.
Today we will see if the current board has balls. Obviously under Collo they played the safe option at every opportunity.
If Smorgon has the balls to see this through, he's in front of Collo immediately in my eyes.
Time will tell.

verbs · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:42 am

At the end of the day, we'll all have to go to bed and wake up in the morning and get on with our lives...on the internet. There may be change, but nothing will change.

bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13689

Collo said what he said because signing Pagan was partly his decision. He wants to/has to show consistancy, rightly or wrongly.

I think Pago needs to go, but a coaching team of Mitchell, Rats, Bradley, Dean or SOS does not inspire any confidence in me at all.

There is nothing out there at the moment, so I would not be hastening this decision.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18077

verbs wrote:

At the end of the day, we'll all have to go to bed and wake up in the morning and get on with our lives...on the internet. There may be change, but nothing will change.

Are you reading a book about cliche's Verbs?

verbs · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:50 am

Blue Vain wrote:

verbs wrote:

At the end of the day, we'll all have to go to bed and wake up in the morning and get on with our lives...on the internet. There may be change, but nothing will change.

Are you reading a book about cliche's Verbs?

Life is a cliche.

Wild Blue Yonder · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:14 am

I'm not really fussed about who they appoint coach - as long as it is not too long term. Maybe a two year deal to see what they've got.

What I am concerned about is dawdling up to Princes Park to part with $350 for 2007 to know I'm going to see exactly the same on field crap from Denis that I've seen for the past million years. I reckon there's another 5000 that won't trudge up there with me unfortunately.

I'll pay the dough with a bit of spring in the step if they stick a new face in the seat and they recruit kids and they sell the dream of developing kids at every opportunity.

That'd be a change; cos I'm sick of getting what I've always got.

It's time to do something, as Kennedy might suggest.

mikkey · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm **Posts:** 4129

I really do not like any of the available options..... problem is we need a strong board that sets clear directions and instills confidence. I am undecided on DP due to issues of $'s, stability, questions about the quality of BM etc. I wish we had a board I trust to make the best decision with all facts in hand. Unfortunately we do not and so I will be concerned no matter what they decide.

Somebody here has been writing for some time that replacing the board should be the no. 1 priority and I tend to agree.

dannyboy · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:21 am

that'd be me :wink:

Them first, strong Board, then let them make the decisions. this reeks of Elliott's last days all over again!

Wild Blue Yonder · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:25 am

If that means we have a new board and the same coach for 07 then I'm in the other camp.

Let's get rid of the coachinng duo and then deal with the board come AGM.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

Caroline Wilson has a point ...Sticks is a great Blues man but I think his time is up...supports Brittain but then changes ship and goes with Pagan ..now he has done the same thing again...
The review process is a farce....Sticks has comprimised his own position and Caro is right....you just can appoint Mitchell and run your own agenda's..
I dont have a problem with Mitchell replacing Pagan..just the process..
When the Elliot regime fell there should have been no mercy....a total cleanout including Sticks....

camel · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:03 am

verbs wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

verbs wrote:

At the end of the day, we'll all have to go to bed and wake up in the morning and get on with our lives...on the internet. There may be change, but nothing will change.

Are you reading a book about cliche's Verbs?

Life is a cliche.

I thought it was a highway.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:04 am

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

Caroline Wilson has a point ...Sticks is a great Blues man but I think his time is up...supports Brittain but then changes ship and goes with Pagan ..now he has done the same thing again...
The review process is a farce....Sticks has comprimised his own position and Caro is right....you just can appoint Mitchell and run your own agenda's..
I dont have a problem with Mitchell replacing Pagan..just the process..
When the Elliot regime fell there should have been no mercy....a total cleanout including Sticks....

I have no problems with that suggestion at all. It would be interesting to know if there was any perceptible shift in Kernahan's vote at the last elections for the board.

verbs · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:06 am

camelboy wrote:

verbs wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

verbs wrote:

At the end of the day, we'll all have to go to bed and wake up in the morning and get on with our lives...on the internet. There may be change, but nothing will change.

Are you reading a book about cliche's Verbs?

Life is a cliche.

I thought it was a highway.

I thought it was a rhetorical question.

Bookie · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:40 am

Sticks is doing what we all did -support Brittain, then Pagan now Mitchell.
Why is that wrong?
He didn't appoint them all on his own, and the majority supported all those appointments at the time.
Caro is just being Caro, I give Sticks great credit for sticking around when the other rats deserted the sinking ship.
He was mates with Elliot but worked with C1 and Collo and now with Smorgan, that is just adapting and putting the Football Club over the politics. Sticks for mine is only pro and the others seem petty power brokers who are an embarrasment.
Give the man some credit he's not selling himself as an assistant coach with Collingwood.

phoenix johnson · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:43 am

Anyone read todays "At the bar with Jon Anderson and Mark Robinson"?

Robbo has the mail that people want Pagan gone but it doesn't stop at the coaching staff. Apparently a ticket is being formed to out Smorgo and if that happen,s Robbo believes Prat might open up his wallet. Said he wuldn't be suprised if Andrew Fahour was Carlton pres inside 6 months and a Greg Miller type was appointed. Also said, they would probably go after a high profile recruiter such as Scott Clayton or Craig Cameron.

Now, I know Robinson talks a lot of shit and is a mate of Elliotts, but even if some of this is true, it's fair to say we're in for a massive Summer coming up.

JohnM · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:50 am

Good.

This club needs a serious shake-up, and getting rid of Pagan is just Step No.1.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

phoenix johnson wrote:

Anyone read todays "At the bar with Jon Anderson and Mark Robinson"?

Robbo has the mail that people want Pagan gone but it doesn't stop at the coaching staff. Apparently a ticket is being formed to out Smorgo and if that happen,s Robbo believes Prat might open up his wallet. Said he wuldn't be suprised if Andrew Fahour was Carlton pres inside 6 months and a Greg Miller type was appointed. Also said, they would probably go after a high profile recruiter such as Scott Clayton or Craig Cameron.

Now, I know Robinson talks a lot of shit and is a mate of Elliotts, but even if some of this is true, it's fair to say we're in for a massive Summer coming up.

Interesting the high profile recruiter comment....Wayne Hughes work seems to be reaping the rewards if you look at Freo's form.....
Fahour said he didnt have time didnt he?

showbag · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 2664

opens the door for Campo as captain/coach ... the perfect counter to Pagan's bash and crash footy ... :-D

mjonc · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:54 am

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

Caroline Wilson has a point ...Sticks is a great Blues man but I think his time is up...supports Brittain but then changes ship and goes with Pagan ..now he has done the same thing again...
The review process is a farce....Sticks has comprimised his own position and Caro is right....you just can appoint Mitchell and run your own agenda's..
I dont have a problem with Mitchell replacing Pagan..just the process..
When the Elliot regime fell there should have been no mercy....a total cleanout including Sticks....

When i attended the board meeting at the start of this year, i was suprised at the support when Sticks name was mentioned. It could get messy if Sticks was forced off the board or out of the club with the older supporters IMO.

Rhys26 · **Joined:** Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:12 am **Posts:** 1730

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

Interesting the high profile recruiter comment....Wayne Hughes work seems to be reaping the rewards if you look at Freo's form.....
Fahour said he didnt have time didnt he?

I reckon Hughes has been doing alright but I wonder whether the 2004 draft might hurt him if a revamp is put in place through the whole club

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