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dannyboy

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:58 pm

Ken Hunter

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yes and it will be the coaches fault - but not at first, oh no, at first it will continue to be all Denis's fault and then at some imprecise moment in time the shift will occur and the new Caesar we hail will become the old dog buried with our growing grief.

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Deano Supremo

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:01 pm

Alex Jesaulenko

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That's football.

Good lord I wish we'd get out of this seemingly endless tailspin.

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Sydney Blue

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:01 pm

Alex Jesaulenko

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dannyboy wrote:

That comes with the territory when your a coach I'm afraid you live and die by the results on field . You cant collect two spoons in a row and do nothing Danny . Sport is about winning

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BlueJean

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:06 pm

Serge Silvagni

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If Pagan goes...BIG MISTAKE!...

One GIANT step sdrawkcab...

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AGRO

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:10 pm

Alex Jesaulenko

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Location: Kaloyasena

Jarusa wrote:

dannyboy wrote:

In fact I think anyone with coaching ambitions is a fool to take us on now.

I agree, this list will burn one more coach.

Thats OK because we need another top 10 draft pick. :cry:

Would have had it this year but AFL have reamed us again with de facto draft penalties. :evil:

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McKaysMistress

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:14 pm

Garry Crane

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:14 pm
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This whole scenario is making me very nervous. I don't have an issue with a "review" and assessing our options, but like DannyBoy, I have grave concerns about this board and their motives behind the "review". It screams to me of a board taking a course of action to secure their positions and if some lost souls wander home as EB has alluded to then that will confirm it for me.

And how Kernahan qualified to conduct a "review" and how can we have any faith in his recommendation when he was involved in the process of prematurely renewing Pagans contract last year?

Sure conduct a review, personally I would be pleased if Pagan was replaced, but ONLY if the review is comprehensive and wide searching. If that means Barry Mitchell ends up being assessed as the best person for the job all good and well. But if it's just a Mickey Mouse, smoke and mirrors review so this board can continue their tenure and in the process continue devaluing my club, then its a wasted exercise. And my suspicions are that the latter is the case.

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dannyboy

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:14 pm

Ken Hunter

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Sydney Blue wrote:

dannyboy wrote:

That comes with the territory when your a coach I'm afraid you live and die by the results on field . You cant collect two spoons in a row and do nothing Danny . Sport is about winning

so your accepting that at some moment you will stop blaming Denis and start blaming the new coach?

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billy_bongo

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:14 pm

Bert Deacon

Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:44 am
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BlueJean wrote:

If Pagan goes...BIG MISTAKE!...

One GIANT step sdrawkcab...

We can't take a big step backwards - the AFL don't have relegation.

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dannyboy

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:15 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:12 am
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Location: Coburg

but they may invent it for us :wink:

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Rhys26

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:18 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:12 am
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dannyboy wrote:

so Denis seems to be gone.

Oh well, thats football.

I feel for him. Impossible job to get anywhere unless we stayed at the bottom for a prolonged time.

Even tonight Wallsey was saying 3 more years to develop the kids and then finals.

In fact I think anyone with coaching ambitions is a fool to take us on now. With all the penalties our patience was gone after 3 years - this year he was gone unless he lifted us up. Perhaps more than anything else if Denis goes it shows there is no such thing as tanking unless the coach is a political moron.

How long will his successor get? 2 years? Surely 3 but if we end on the bottom next year (which wouldn't be a bad thing) and then falter again the year after?

And again I ask will the demise of Denis give this board an extended tenure? Will we replace the coach but the real den of nothingness continue to make no changes, have no impact and threaten, more than anything (except JE), the end of this club, be allowed to go on?

I think Denis is a scapegoat guilty of plenty but he was a coach in an extreme situation and perhaps he was always doomed to die by the very sword that won him the position.

I hope this is the start of movement for the club. I hope we pick 3 or so great kids and really begin to shape ourselves back into a legitimate football club again.

I hated that coach's luncheon, made me feel like a Fitzroy supporter. I hope this change (if it comes) triggers greater change. If not then Denis's going will have F@%&#! all effect on the fortunes of this club.

Brilliant Post.
Spot on the mark there dannyboy

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kennyhunter

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:33 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:35 pm
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There's a queue of ex-Blues waiting if Pagan goes.

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dannyboy

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:35 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:12 am
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Location: Coburg

which should be a good thing kenny.

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Macfart

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:36 pm

Horrie Clover

Joined: Sun May 08, 2005 8:31 am
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Location: New South Wales

bluechampion wrote:

Will we be happy if they sack him and spend a month "interviewing" only to appoint Mitchell?

Should we see this as sacking an unsuccessful coach or a bloodless coup?

Who are the "senior coaches in waiting"?

Mitchell? Longmire? Harvey (gah)? SOS? Ayres? Lyon? Brereton?
Who are the assistants who are ready to go?

The biggest question and my biggest fear is who will replace him and will they get any more out of a list that to me is very poor.

All the names thrown up have minimal coaching experience

I agree 100% with Dannyboy this smells of the board trying to cement thier places like Elliot did when he first appointed Pagen

It should be the board who goes first

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titimus

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:36 pm

Serge Silvagni

Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:06 pm
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dannyboy wrote:

so Denis seems to be gone.

Oh well, thats football.

I wouldn't counsel anyone to go crying into their pillow just yet.

Let's just wait and see, huh?

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dannyboy

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:38 pm

Ken Hunter

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Location: Coburg

crying?

Na but obviously there's a push and in the end if there is a push and nothing happens @#$%&! that might even be worse!

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Synbad

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:39 pm

Bruce Doull

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
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Location: In the box.

The board gets their review come election time.

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woof

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:40 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:51 am
Posts: 4919

kennyhunter wrote:

There's a queue of ex-Blues waiting if Pagan goes.

What exactly do they want to do?

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dannyboy

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:40 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:12 am
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Location: Coburg

God I hope so

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KERMIT

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:51 pm

Rod McGregor

Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:38 am
Posts: 163
Location: MELBOURNE

That's a great look....sack the senior coach on the eve of the club's B&F.

Got tickets but quite frankly I'd prefer to go to the footy on Friday night.

Pagan will caoch next year IMO. I said it earlier this year...2007 is the year to tackle the assistants (all of them) and 2008 is the year to m ove on the senior coach.

Voss, M Harvey, Ratten, Longmire etc etc. Anyone other than the duds we have. Bring the quality people in at the bootom and let them rise to the top.

Anything else is lipstick and band aid solutions.

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uncle john

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:52 pm

Trevor Keogh

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:07 pm
Posts: 760
Location: Noble Park, Vic

Synbad wrote:

The board gets their review come election time.

Who's putting a challenge together at Board Level?
Is that what you meant??

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