YES and at least 3 were near the boundary because he was forced to lead wide by the fb to get his kicks.Agree there may not be a match up for him this week but maybe he will play on grant or rawlings if he plays in the forward line.Moreover his real role is to play predominantly on the power forwards and therefore to release thorton to chb.Didnt also see neitz outmark him in a pack situation

Obviously tarrant mauled him in the last game of the year last year so yes he has his limitations but I thought thorton didnt do much better on tarrant that night either.

Most importantly Livo didnt yet thrown around by Neitz. He stood his ground shoulder to shoulder with the TaxiMan on about halfa dozen occasions and the Headlice couldnt budge Livo. The Headlice kicked 9 on livo in 2002 at TD by pushing him around, that will not happen anymore. We have a Gorilla-Killer and his name is Livo.

Where did I say I hate Livo ?

Livo's performance was OK, this is a stock standard objective observation.
After four years and a full pre season, he still runs under the ball. Yes it may be he still lacks confidence, thank god Neitz missed all those set shots from 40 meters out on a 45 degree angle.

Whilst the signs are there that the class of 2000 are blossoming (about time), the jury is still out until at least half way through the year. Only then will we be able to judge these guys.

However, you couldn't have asked for a better start to the year so far!!!

Exactly, I hardly think that Wiggins and Livingston has made it at this point. Sporn probably has though.

Toad - you're formerly Abaddon aren't you?

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Nope. But if I invented a cool nickname like Abaddon I wouldn't be changing it anytime soon. I'm originally from TBV though.

Wiggins will do me just fine.
Sporn will get better and better.
Livo is going to grow in confidence. I saw him take a clean mark and kick a perfect drop punt on the weekend - it's been a while since I have seen a Livo kick that didn't wobble all over the place.

The one that continually worries me is Justin Davies. He is a classy player but for his size and experioence he should get much more of the ball than he actually does.

You've got me there, you didn't. But you read like someone who didn't want to measure him objectively. Your's isnt stock standard by any meaure. Any objective review of the game of a FB would see FF kicking 0.3 from 4 shots, which regardless of all other points, provides the fact that Neitz had no impact on the game. FB wins.

If Neitz had have kicked 2.2 I'd still say the same thing.

ps Neitz's first shot was at least 60degrees, surely?

Class of 2000, Top 30
(Games played with original club)

Team Pick Name Games
StKilda 1 Nick Riewoldt 75
StKilda 2 Justin Koschitzke 58
Collingwood 3 Alan Didak 67
Carlton 4 Luke Livingston 32
West Coast 5 Andrew McDougall 33
Kangaroos 6 Dylan Smith 11
Adelaide 7 Laurence Angwin 0
Kangaroos 8 Daniel Motlop 44
Richmond 9 Kayne Pettifer 37
Western Bulldogs 10 Jordon McMahon 53
Carlton 11 Trent Sporn 30
Port Adelaide 12 Shaun Burgoyne 67
Brisbane 13 Ashley McGrath 51
Kangaroos 14 Daniel Harris 47
Carlton 15 Simon Wiggins 50
Melbourne 16 Scott Thompson 39
Essendon* 17 James Davies 3
West Coast 18 Daniel Kerr 84
Collingwood 19 Jason Cloke 61
Port Adelaide 20 Kane Cornes 69
Hawthorn 21 Nick Ries 60
Brisbane 22 Richard Hadley 27
Kangaroos 23 Drew Petrie 63
Sydney 24 Luke Ablett 29
Richmond 25 Mark Coughlan 49
Western Bulldogs 26 Shane Birss 36
Essendon* 27 Ted Richards 23
Hawthorn 28 Steven Greene 39
Brisbane 29 Jamie Charman 63
Kangaroos 30 Saverio Rocca 72

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Lenny/Karl....Bit hard on Wiggo...Didak was more physically developed and had played some senior footy in SA. Wiggins back then didnt have the body strength to compete with Didak and it was a poor matchup...Didak is no mug and will kick goals given opportunties and Wiggin's should have got a player like Rhys Shaw or Ben Johnson who didnt have the body size advantage like Didak did...

I think his decision making and disposal has improved due to his extra confidence.....lets hope Denis does the right thing by him and sticks him on a suitable opponent this time...A player like Giansiracusa would be a good challenge for Wiggo unlike sticking him on someone like Mitch Hahn who will do a Didak and out muscle him....