anytime baggers


and please i am only having a dig, I think the fight in talking stuff has got me all fired up for a bit of a laugh. Tongue in cheek



except for the bit about being blunt - i really do find people who say they ar ebeing blunt as boring as bat shit.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Like a true blue supporter I don't step back from a stoush. Quite enjoy it and no doubt we'll have more in the future. Keeps the others interested.

Re the use of the word blunt...........what about boring/uninteresting/tedious/monotonous/dreary/unexciting or lacklusture???? Any of them take your fancY?

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Confucius say "Virginity like bubble, one prick all gone"

According to the stats McGrath made no errors at all.

nope

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Verbs wrote on September 02, 2005:


I say tank the crap out of 2006!

We all know how quickly a year can pass.

And then we'll be invincible come 2008 or 2009 or 2010.

In 2010
Bentick will be 25
Betts 24
Blackwell 24
Carrazzo 27
Fisher 26
Raso 23
Russell 24
Simpson 26
Thornton 27
Waite 27
Walker 24
2005 pick 1 22
2005 pick 4 22
2005 pick 20 22
2006 pick 1 21
2006 pick 2 21
2006 pick 17 21

I forgot about the O'hAlipins also.

Stevens will be 30.

Forget 2006.

Embrace 2010.

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5025&start=0

Given it's a football forum why hang around if you don't like the football talk? Surely you can find somewhere else on the web you can talk football in the manner you would like?

Good point Baggers. It amazes me that with their huge injury list Port and the Lions have done relatively well.............better than us anyway. Their kids seem to be more poised and confident than ours. They are also re-building. The race is on!

The scary thing is that we are close (even with last weeks draw) to securing our 3rd spoon in 5 years. Remember we were lucky to not also win it in 2003.

See, I don't think it's all in the kinds of kids picked up. Players like Nathan van Berlo were picked very late by Adelaide. Mattner is no world beater but they are the best TEAM in the AFL by a long, long way.

At the moment, we have a coach and a leadership group who don't promote team play, keep talking about the fact that we need draft picks (which whilst we do, aren't the be all and end all) in front of the kids, whose confidence then plummets.

We are the worst TEAM in the AFL bar none, we're just lucky that Essendon* have got poor talent because as a team, they're a bit better better than us.

I don't think it's just about the players - though obviously we need some help but our mental state is terrible. Carlton sides used to be the toughest in the business. At the moment, we have the mental strength of George W Bush.

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Fair to say we are a few years behind the teams you mentioned, Rod. I wouldn't compare a Port or Lions to us because those clubs have a better development program than ours, which sets us back. Our development program for our players resembles the methods of the 80's and 90's. It also comes back to culture - those clubs' cultures breed success, ours doesn't - at least not in the last 5 years!!!

That's the difference why their kids have stepped up and why they've won more games than us. They will get a sniff of another flag before we do, unless drastic things change at Carlton.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

In the end we drew with the 16th team. That says it all really.

Some Clubs shoot themselves in the foot. Richmond under Frawly did this with the recruitment of Marsh, Fletcher, Houliahn - a few players that were just fillers, nothing more. Arguably the Bombers have been doing the same thing over 2003-2005, just picking up nowhere players.

We lived by that motto off the back of a number of very good players in the mid to late 1990's.

Outside of Richmond, Essendon*, and shooting yourself in the foot, many Clubs have been constantly developing or working through their list. The whole time we were picking up hacks to fill the list in between the 1990's up to 2005, really, and the whole time we were suffering from lost draft picks, other Clubs were developing their youth, and ultimately developing their middle tier.

Carlton fell further behind at the time. We were already behind the eightball for draft picks but continued to give up the initiative. Carlton remains well behind just about everyone. At least Richmond had the 2004 draft which looks a pearler to them.

Our list remains behind other lists because of this. We could have cut very deeply at the end of 2004 but the overperformance perhaps swayed the leaders. We should have cut deeply in 2005 but I'm assured by many posters that we couldnt so we could cut deeply in 2006.

Make no mistake, Carlton has been behind for so long that in 2006 / 2007 we can only hope to catch up by the margin that our picks are better than others. that our priority picks allow us to creep up from years of management failure. have your hope in our young players but always be aware of what all the other clubs were doing whilst we were stuck in the mire.

M

2010

Toughened bodies is what makes a quality team and wins premierships. We remember it from '95 when everyone was saying 'too old, too slow' with our old boys, who were clearly head and shoulders above the rest.

Adelaide, Collingwood and even Essendon* have list with 15, 16 or 18 100+ gamers on the list. That's an entire starting 18 with 100+ games. We can only send out a maximum of 8 or 9, and let's be honest, they're not the best 8 or 9 in the comp anymore

After our nine most experienced there's daylight to the next bunch of quality players.

If you take 7-9 most experienced players out of the Crows line up and replace them with <40 gamers you'd have an entirely different story. Our blokes can't run out a game at the pace of these athletes.

Next year we're going to get younger again with the axe sure to fall on middle to older type players and younger ones coming in. By 2010 we'll have a great quality young team with a few older heads for stability - I think it's plausible that we'll be contenders then, and when you think about it, 1995 - 2010 is only 15 years plenty have gone longer between drinks than that .

hit.nail.head

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

I'd like to see this too, but I reckon we'll ONLY cut those out of contract, so a few of the noddies will get saved again. It'll still be an improvement, but not one as far reaching as perhaps most of the people on this site would like.

Adelaide have depth and are the fittest team by a long way....they also have every player on their list either playing seniors or SANFL, we have players due to the quota system playing Bullant reserves which isnt good enough.
Batson gets to play vs kids from the burbs while Maric/Meeson for example get to play against better quality big men and experienced SANFL journeymen..... result..Batson gets nowhere fast while Maric gets decent experience and is fastracked......

Raso will learn more by playing on Corey Achee from Port Magpies and get his body toughened than he will playing on some high school kid in the Bullant twos...thats why kids like Bock and Hentchell walk straight in and can play...
Get rid of the Blues alignment with the Bullants and you might see some better and quicker development......yeah I know its a money problem running a stand alone team but to me it wont be a level playing field until we have a stand alone reserves team...

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Spot on again.

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There's so much I could say...

All good points but Sydney won the premiership last year. All of their kids would play in a standard equal to if not worse than VFL seconds.

Fair enough...I guess my counter would be that Sydney had a fairly good run with injuries and didnt have to test their depth like Adelaide have had to this year and that depth has been aquired due to the reasons in my previous post......

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In regard to 2010 just realised that 4 years from now EDDIE BETTTTTS will be 23 years old. The same age the Lovett and Lovett Murray are today .

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My counter to that is that a majority of Sydney players did not walk straight into the AFL seniors in 2005 and win the premiership. Most did an apprenticeship prior to 2005 in the TAC then develop in the Sydney reserves.

And also, they are surrounded by senior players who play alongside them and don't seem to be arrogant about their status as senior players. A far cry from our bunch of individuals.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky