Ironic that a couple of years ago we were a team of midgets, but today I was worried we were going in top heavy, and especially in the second half I thought we really seemed to lack run at stages. Plenty of tall, or what you would class non-running players:

French
Bryan
Kouta
O'Hailpin
Fev
Lance
Kennedy
Fisher
Waite
Thornton

What's the way forward - try and find some balance by leaving one or two of these out or simply play our best team regardless?

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"I had to eat"

next year french and kouta wont be there (well i hope they wont) so it'll ease it up a bit.

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I cringed every time French (& McGrath) got the ball late in the game

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"I had to eat"

Yeah but think of the draft picks- Hansen/Gumbleton, and other talls.

i'd be rapt if we could get 1 of them but it seems as if Essendon* want hansen which in that case we'll probably get gibbs. my first preference would be hansen then gumby but i've got a feeling we'll get gibbs is Essendon* get hansen. if we do end up getting 1 of those players its still going to be 1 less on the list above if french and kouta retire.

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The list above, IMO, proves we need midfielders big time

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"I had to eat"

Dodoro has said he wanted Gibbs. I doubt Hansen will go No.1. Just ask GoTheDons.

i dont know what dodoro said but i was just going on this article:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 35,00.html

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A thread title that promised so much. Yet without pictures, is nothing...

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Congratulations CK95

Yeah.. retire Kouta and trade Lance and promote Bower, Hartlett.. persevere with Kennedy and draft Hansen and were fine...

The slow talls will be gone.

PS a cheerio to Kouta who played his bestish game for the year today.

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Would place Fisher on the trade table for a 2nd round pick (maybe at the Dogs) after today's performance. His field kicking really needs work and I don't think after 4 years that it's gotten much better. Fantastic mark, but was missing his bread and butter today.

I hope it's just lack of match fitness because although I rate the guy highly, we are starting to get a bit top heavy.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

That would be a huge mistake.

Why do people always look at the obvious?
Sure he was terrible today and last week... but he has played FA games.. and he should never have been rushed back in .. same with Waite.

One thing that Fish gives us is the ability to take a contested mnark in congested situations .. and force miss matches.

Why would you trade him on todays snapshot?

Everyone gets carried away with snapshots without putting things into their correct perspective.

What can they bring to the table... ?
Upside?
Project into the next three years on what you have seen from him.. what he is capable of.. what he can add ... and where we will be.

Fishers future as long as he is healthy is massive for us.

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Yeah good point Synbad. I must admit I was quite pissed off with both of them today and I'm usually very patient but I think that was born more out of frustration. They definately should've been brought back through the reserves before leaving them out there today. What was even worse was the fact that Pagan kept persisting with both of them when they were having shockers and leaving Kennedy off for pretty much the entire second half. I was furious at that.

Waite and Fisher can play "small" too, especially Waite. I think he could move into the midfield when Kouta's gone as he has the run and mobility. As for trading fisher....crazy. Give him 12 months of "standing up" and he'll be the most difficult forward to match-up on imaginable. His overhead marking, especially in a pack, for a guy of hs size is the best going anywhere. Those guys don't gow on trees and trading him could embarrass us badly and the way things stand now, plainly ridiculous. At the moment with Fisher it's just match fitness.

It looks a hotch potch at the moment.

It seems as though the plan is Lance the key man down back and Fev the key man up forward then throw in the rest and see what happens.

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There's so much I could say...

As I said, I rate Fisher VERY highly. I think he is one heck of a contested mark, but the problem is that if he plays in the small role, then his field kicking becomes a liability. It has never been fantastic and today was just one moment amongst many.

Jim, until he improves his field kicking, then he is a liability, as are those in the team who continually butcher the ball. He can't play midfield in a Kouta role because his disposal just isn't up to it. Play him closer to goal where his next kick is through the big sticks.

In the past, I have been no less than a massive fan of Brad Fisher since he arrived on the scene against Collingwood (1 goal) and Essendon* (2 goals) and Richmond (3 goals including the match winner) in 2003 and have thought he would play at least 150 AFL games. However, when a turnover in this age costs the team so much and he remains one of our few tradeable commodities, then we'd be crazy not to look at how much other teams would give us to part with him.

Yes, he creates mismatches, yes, he is a superb overhead contested mark, yes he is mobile but he is also injury-prone due to his slight figure and his courage. Structurally we can't fit him unless he stands up and makes HFF his own - because realistically he won't play CHF or FF. I think Waite is more of a chance to play midfield.

Our midfield was badly exposed and another 2 ball winners with class (like Gibbs and someone else) would give us a massive boost. It's not like we don't have enough talls. We still have players like Raso, Hartlett, Edwards, Bower sitting in the Magoos who are 190cm or taller.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

And i said youd have to be mad to trade one guy that offers you something different.. a contested mark.
If we had a few of them on the list fair enough... but we dont.. so it would be foolish to trade one guy that can take a contested mark.

You get rid of players who are the same not unique in your structure.

Unless the unique one happens to be Lance...

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You could argue that you should get rid of all the ball butchers in the side. And unfortunately Fish is one of them.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

But he can take a contested mark... and hardly any other players do.

Look the problem with MOST PEOPLE is they live on a snapshot.

Most people dont remember what they ate for brekky yesterday.

The knee jerk is to make a decision on what just happened a minute ago.
Its not about a planned structure into the future.
Fisher has an important role at the club because of what he brings to the team when he is fit.

Like he has proved over the games he has played when fit.
And what we need from a forward line into the future. In fact Waite butchers the ball more than Fish and he cant take as many contested marks.. So why say Fish in particular????

Fish probably isnt fit.. because I KNOW that he has been asked to play unfit in the past.....

In all probablility Fish wouldnt command the kind of pick wed like.. so why even bother???


Its the same as Stevens.. even though im not happy with Stevens at the moment.. i wouldnt trade him... because if i traded him Murphy is our front liner... and thats abit rich to ask from a 19 year old....

So you trade what you can spare.. and what their upside and use is over the next 3 years and what you can command..

Lance is a player someone might get tricked into taking because they believe he is the forward they need to win a flag...

Noone will take him as a CHB (some of you are kidding with All Australian)... but someone will take him if they think they can pinch a flag.. good luck to them.

Fish is abit injury prone and doesnt get the media masturbation that Lance gets..

AND Stevens is a midfielder .. and most other teams already have a midfield...maYbe collingwood might take him but they dont trade assertively anyway.... and like i said Murphy needs Stevens.

Unlike other clubs we have more Key position players than midfielders.

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In saying that, does that mean you would rather Gibbs than Hansen and Gumbleton