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How much is Nick Stevens worth?
$450K+ 7%  7%  [ 8 ]
$400K-$449K 9%  9%  [ 10 ]
$350K-$399K 20%  20%  [ 23 ]
$300K-$349K 18%  18%  [ 21 ]
$250K-$299K 12%  12%  [ 14 ]
$200K-$249K 3%  3%  [ 4 ]
Trade at end of 2006 31%  31%  [ 36 ]
Total votes : 116
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Pagan said today he definitely won't be traded & is one of our most important players.


Pagan, with all due respect to the man, may not be making that decision :lol:

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Nick Stevens certainly won't be traded," Pagan said yesterday.

"He had 31 possessions last week, he had five tackles, he was in my best two or three players.

"This is what happens sometimes, people don't understand roles that individuals play.

"Nick's been wonderful for us. He's fought a lone hand in the midfield, supported by young kids.

"Other sides have got half a dozen midfielders who can launch themselves on him and attack him.

"I just think he's been terrific for us.

"And I can assure you, we won't be trading him while I'm coach."


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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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I reckon Sheldon is right.

A second round pick would be of greater value for the future of the club.

We have had to start at the bottom so let's not take anymoreshort cuts.

Stevens is a player that as stated earlier in this thread is a "clone" of Campo. We dont need pretty recievers, we need players who are willing to get the ball and run in numbers to support each other= ala Murphy, Bentick and Walker.

If you look at the current Crows team they have 22 hard workers every week. They dont play the "Campo/Stevens" type players.
That's funny. A second round pick. How hit and miss is the draft, especially by the second round, and you want to exchange a class player for him


It's not that simple.

The 2nd round of the draft is as speculative as trying to guess when our side will be 'good enough' again to afford Stevens the luxury many think he needs - that of not getting the best tagger every weekâ„¢.

Good player in a good side - fair enough, I don't necessarily disagree with that. We're not a good side though, and can we afford to have him waiting around in the wings while we rely on others to make us that good side?

We need players that can make changes happen and benefit from the changes when they do happen.

Not players that rely exclusively on the level of players around them.
We can.....he's been 2nd in our B & F in both his years here making him better than most players in our club at the moment. With our youngsters still developing we can't afford to be getting rid of players of that ilk as young players need good seniors footballers around them to develop (they need a good coach too but that's another story). Over the last couple of years people wanted to get rid of Fev, Lance, now Stevens. In regards to the former 2, gee aren't we glad we didn't lose them (that's football supporters for you and why they're on internet forum boards and no-where else). It'll be the same for Stevens to. A team full of kids without leaders would be a disaster and set us back further. We get thrashed enough as it is. Not to mention the little thing of him being under contract, one worth $500,000 per year. I think we've paid our players enough to play at other clubs over the last few years. The problems is many think with their emotions and not their brains.


So jim....while you're thinking with your emotions and not your brain and telling us (repeatedly) the coach is no good....can you explain why you're on an internet forum board and no-where else?
Thinking with emotion after 4 years with a winning percentage of 23%, 15% excluding 2004, not winning anywhere near as many games as 2 years ago when we won 10 games (yes, 10 games.....and a Wizard Cup), not to mention getting beaten 1 in every 4 times by more than 10 goals.....yea right. Figures obvious tell me i'm using the brain with that one. What's you're excuse. You actually think he's doing well looking at those "stats". If your brain works it'll stand out. And I'll keep saying it repeatedly, if you don't like it, stiff! If your not smart enough to work it out then someone's brain isn't working and it isn't mine (for a change!!).


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We can.....he's been 2nd in our B & F in both his years here making him better than most players in our club at the moment. With our youngsters still developing we can't afford to be getting rid of players of that ilk as young players need good seniors footballers around them to develop (they need a good coach too but that's another story). Over the last couple of years people wanted to get rid of Fev, Lance, now Stevens. In regards to the former 2, gee aren't we glad we didn't lose them (that's football supporters for you and why they're on internet forum boards and no-where else). It'll be the same for Stevens to. A team full of kids without leaders would be a disaster and set us back further. We get thrashed enough as it is. Not to mention the little thing of him being under contract, one worth $500,000 per year. I think we've paid our players enough to play at other clubs over the last few years. The problems is many think with their emotions and not their brains.


So jim....while you're thinking with your emotions and not your brain and telling us (repeatedly) the coach is no good....can you explain why you're on an internet forum board and no-where else?
Thinking with emotion after 4 years with a winning percentage of 23%, 15% excluding 2004, not winning anywhere near as many games as 2 years ago when we won 10 games (yes, 10 games.....and a Wizard Cup), not to mention getting beaten 1 in every 4 times by more than 10 goals.....yea right. Figures obvious tell me i'm using the brain with that one. What's you're excuse. You actually think he's doing well looking at those "stats". If your brain works it'll stand out. And I'll keep saying it repeatedly, if you don't like it, stiff! If your not smart enough to work it out then someone's brain isn't working and it isn't mine (for a change!!).


I never said I agree or disagree with you. If your brain is so superiour to ours why are you on a footy forum and not somewhere else? Sorry, using your own words against you.

Again I don't necessarily agree or disagree with what you're saying, but you're judging Pagan solely 8) on his win/loss record. Many criticise him for winning 10 games in 2004...it's all a matter of opinion.

Will our future look better after this season after maybe 4 wins or at the same stage in 2004 when we had 10? I know which squad I'd rather have.

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BlueWorld wrote:
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Nick Stevens certainly won't be traded," Pagan said yesterday.

"He had 31 possessions last week, he had five tackles, he was in my best two or three players.

"This is what happens sometimes, people don't understand roles that individuals play.

"Nick's been wonderful for us. He's fought a lone hand in the midfieldâ„¢, supported by young kids.

"Other sides have got half a dozen midfielders who can launch themselves on him and attack him.

"I just think he's been terrific for us.

"And I can assure you, we won't be trading him while I'm coach."


I'll agree with Pagan there.

I honestly don't understand the role that this inidividual plays. SO ner! Even PAGAN is backing me up.

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I'm officially on the sack Pagan bandwagon now, silly obstinate old fart. :evil:

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I hope that Denis is'nt immortal :roll:

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jim wrote:
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So jim....while you're thinking with your emotions and not your brain and telling us (repeatedly) the coach is no good....can you explain why you're on an internet forum board and no-where else?
Thinking with emotion after 4 years with a winning percentage of 23%, 15% excluding 2004, not winning anywhere near as many games as 2 years ago when we won 10 games (yes, 10 games.....and a Wizard Cup), not to mention getting beaten 1 in every 4 times by more than 10 goals.....yea right. Figures obvious tell me i'm using the brain with that one. What's you're excuse. You actually think he's doing well looking at those "stats". If your brain works it'll stand out. And I'll keep saying it repeatedly, if you don't like it, stiff! If your not smart enough to work it out then someone's brain isn't working and it isn't mine (for a change!!).


I think you'll find the Wizzer was with the 2005 squad - not the 2004 when we won 10 games.

And I agree, I'd rather the team of 2006 than 2004. Most of us knew that the hardest days were ahead as although we were back in the draft, the other 15 clubs had been trading and drafting and improving while we tried to fix the Elliott @#$%&! ups prior to 2002.

To be able to solve a problem you need to understand how something works, and by just saying X must go because of a W/L ratio of Y does nothing to fix the origin of the issue :? .


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mojo31 wrote:

Okay I will bite.

Contested possessions

Stevens 1.6
Goddard 2.1

Disposals

Stevens 24
Goddard 21

Tackles

Stevens 4.2
Goddard 4

Long kicks

Stevens 5.3
Goddard 7.1

Errors

Stevens 3.8
Goddard 2.4

1%ers

Stevens 3.8
Goddard 3.7

and the 1 stat where the keep Stevens scenario is important for us

Clearances

Stevens 3.6
Goddard 1.0

Goddard down back mainly. Never played any significant time in the midfield. Less pressure on him but he can play. So little errors for someone who kicks the ball long so often. His diposal is in the top 5 in the competition given time.

I would do a straight swap.

But thats just my opinion.


Stevens is averaging 2.9 tackles not 4.2.
Great stats shows how Stevens really plays!
1.6 contested possessions! :roll:

We'd have to give more then Stevens to get Goddard who is an A grader unlike Nick.


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1.6 contested possessions!


Not even in the top 10 at Carlton.


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Peverill got the votes on Triple M today. Didn't think he was that good but certainly beat Stevens.

But I guess he is Essendon*'s best taggerâ„¢

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bluehammer wrote:
Peverill got the votes on Triple M today. Didn't think he was that good but certainly beat Stevens.

But I guess he is Essendon*'s best taggerâ„¢


:lol:

Did you notice Steven's non-chase in the 2nd quarter?

Pagan better keep talking him up or his trade value is going to dive.

He did give off a few good assists today though, despite the intense pressure applied by Peverill. :wink:

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Goddard tipped to be 1 or 2 in Saints B&F this year, so not really in the league of a Stevens trade (not that it would be on the cards anyway) :)

Unless St Kilda are in a matchfixing scandal and are relegated, we can then steal some players! :)


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Stevens should follow Lappin this week. Deplorable efforts at times, more clangers than a clangathon. Effes thinks McGrath has been bad, i hate to see what he thinks of Stevens :lol:

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not nicks best game today.

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Nick had an ordinary year where do you think he will finish in the B&F inside the top 10? I'm not sure he should.

Top 10 - Fev Scotland Whitnall Murphy Betts Carrazzo Simpson Houlihan Walker... okay maybe Stevens there at number 10.


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Stevens' worth?

Less and less every match which goes by.

Seems to have a fairly unprofessional attitude, for a supposed A-list player.

Disappointing.

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Nick had an ordinary year where do you think he will finish in the B&F inside the top 10? I'm not sure he should.

Top 10 - Fev Scotland Whitnall Murphy Betts Carrazzo Simpson Houlihan Walker... okay maybe Stevens there at number 10.


He is 14th in my B&F currently.

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teknodeejay wrote:
Nick had an ordinary year where do you think he will finish in the B&F inside the top 10? I'm not sure he should.

Top 10 - Fev Scotland Whitnall Murphy Betts Carrazzo Simpson Houlihan Walker... okay maybe Stevens there at number 10.


Pagan said he was in our top 2 or 3 last week with his 31 possessions. 6th in the MVP here.

He's 2nd in possessions. I'm sure he'll be in the top few in the B&F.

In our MVP he's 12th.


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We must trade him at the end of the year. Not only do we need the draft picks but Stevens actually hurts us more than he helps. His defensive side was nothing short of disgraceful today and his use of the ball when he got it wasn't much better.


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Gutted.

I want him to be best on ground EVERY week.

Trade value MUST be at his maximum by round 22. Though I fear it's at its maximum now.

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