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If the Club approached and marketed selling a match to Canberra next year, then there's a huge potential profit which could be realised out of the ACT/Sydney market.

Oh, sorry, I said if they marketed it properly.

I guess that won't happen then.

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And if we hang onto him and remain down the arse end of the ladder how much does the lost revenue impact on our financial position?

More importantlly is what happens if he continues to burn kids...

I heard he was nagative about one of the kids on the weekend... used to be negative about simmo making it too.

Bryan to play...


At long last....


Was the kid that he was negative about a certain person with initials AW...

Why can't he give AW a role to build his confidence. Not the hardest job on the ground. I would have put bannister or someone else on Ablett.


No, not AW.. this time..

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Still scratching my head to the opposing arguments on this one. Many seem upset that we have stooped so low. We've been low for a long time now - maybe my expectations are commensurately low.

As for the Board needing to come up with something new & bold... we're all Carlton loving people. We dont need the title of Director to come up with something. No one here has a ball breaking idea. The Club doesnt have one. There's no replacement for running around trying to ge tmore sponsorship but again my expectations are low.

If there was an idea to turn the ship around it would be out by now.

I await the benefactor.

ps Synbad - i'm working on an idea and will send it to you for your thoughts


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Synbad wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
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And if we hang onto him and remain down the arse end of the ladder how much does the lost revenue impact on our financial position?

More importantlly is what happens if he continues to burn kids...

I heard he was nagative about one of the kids on the weekend... used to be negative about simmo making it too.

Bryan to play...


At long last....


Was the kid that he was negative about a certain person with initials AW...

Why can't he give AW a role to build his confidence. Not the hardest job on the ground. I would have put bannister or someone else on Ablett.


No, not AW.. this time..


any chance of stating who it was and what he was negative about?


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And why does it matter that a Coach was reportedly dark about Simmo? After his second year on the list I'd estimate 90% of TC / CSC posters were against him to?


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Ok. ill plaster it on here.. and pretend it was my idea.. and prove yet again how brainy i am..... :wink:

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And why does it matter that a Coach was reportedly dark about Simmo? After his second year on the list I'd estimate 90% of TC / CSC posters were against him to?


Because the coach is only about collision football and does not understand how the game has moved into a new phase.. and Simmo is the new breed of footballer...

To me it just shows how little he understands the modern game.


Its really getting to a point now that when the Footy department makes a decision i always believe they have taken the opposite option to the one that is right...


Imagine we do snag a Hansen / Thorp/Dumbleton ???Tallest tagger EVER!!!

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molsey wrote:
Still scratching my head to the opposing arguments on this one. Many seem upset that we have stooped so low. We've been low for a long time now - maybe my expectations are commensurately low.

As for the Board needing to come up with something new & bold... we're all Carlton loving people. We dont need the title of Director to come up with something. No one here has a ball breaking idea. The Club doesnt have one. There's no replacement for running around trying to ge tmore sponsorship but again my expectations are low.

If there was an idea to turn the ship around it would be out by now.

I await the benefactor.

ps Synbad - i'm working on an idea and will send it to you for your thoughts


I've got no problem with the concept, but more with the lame-arse way it appears to be being put together.

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Molsey, I hear what you're saying. But running a great company isn't about having a single killer breakthrough idea - it's about doing the basic things better than anyone else. Consistently, and to a clearly identifiable plan. Organisations that consistently outperform the stockmarket do this, year after year.

My problem is that our board doesn't seem capable of doing that, and if you posted the question on this website: how can our club increase its revenue in season 2007?, then one of the first responses you'd get is to sell a home game or two.

Now, putting your hand up to be on the board of directors should mean you can bring something to that company that the ordinary shareholder can't. Trying your best is no excuse for not having the tools in the first place.

Personally, I don't think that the average supporter should be expected to have answers to the question 'how does a 20million dollar business turn itself into a 30million dollar business?'

That's what the board's for. And, I'm sad to say, it doesn't appear as if they have the answers.


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JohnM wrote:
Molsey, I hear what you're saying. But running a great company isn't about having a single killer breakthrough idea - it's about doing the basic things better than anyone else. Consistently, and to a clearly identifiable plan. Organisations that consistently outperform the stockmarket do this, year after year.

My problem is that our board doesn't seem capable of doing that, and if you posted the question on this website: how can our club increase its revenue in season 2007?, then one of the first responses you'd get is to sell a home game or two.

Now, putting your hand up to be on the board of directors should mean you can bring something to that company that the ordinary shareholder can't. Trying your best is no excuse for not having the tools in the first place.

Personally, I don't think that the average supporter should be expected to have answers to the question 'how does a 20million dollar business turn itself into a 30million dollar business?'

That's what the board's for. And, I'm sad to say, it doesn't appear as if they have the answers.


Going to give yourself POW next Monday, John? :wink:

Beautifully put.

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Its a package.
they have to create a business.
they have all the tools.

the largest entertainment forum in the land.
A huge number of supporters that can be called upon to be shareholders annaually.
They can fetch the entertainers from the same pool as everybody else..
They have guaranteed national exposure...
They have a brand that has been more succeful than any other bar none...


And all they can come up with is a 20 million dollar business..????


The Flowerdrum probably turns over more bucks than our club....

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Hawthorn's war chest worth $7m.
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But the major factor was the careful managing of the money it received as compensation for its forced departure from Waverley Park. The compensation, which lasted five seasons, exceeded $1 million at its peak.

Didn't the money we received to get out of Optus Oval go solely to eliminating debt? :cry:

ESTIMATED NET ASSETS

1. Essendon* $13.5m

2. Adelaide $9.5m

3. West Coast $9m

4. Brisbane $8m

5. HAWTHORN $7m

6. Collingwood $6.5m

7. Geelong $6m

8. Port Adelaide $5.2m

9. Fremantle $250,000

The remaining clubs (in order) have a negative asset position:

10. Sydney

11. Richmond

12. St Kilda

13. Melbourne

14. Western Bulldogs

15. Kangaroos

16. Carlton

Sell a game, get more debt from the AFL in the form of a loan, get the AFL to buy MCLabour Park and the ship will just right itself! :roll:

Are the AFL stil going to take over MCLabour Park? :?

That deal seems to have gone a bit quiet.


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JuzzCarlton wrote:
Hawthorn's war chest worth $7m.
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But the major factor was the careful managing of the money it received as compensation for its forced departure from Waverley Park. The compensation, which lasted five seasons, exceeded $1 million at its peak.

Didn't the money we received to get out of Optus Oval go solely to eliminating debt? :cry:

ESTIMATED NET ASSETS

1. Essendon* $13.5m

2. Adelaide $9.5m

3. West Coast $9m

4. Brisbane $8m

5. HAWTHORN $7m

6. Collingwood $6.5m

7. Geelong $6m

8. Port Adelaide $5.2m

9. Fremantle $250,000

The remaining clubs (in order) have a negative asset position:

10. Sydney

11. Richmond

12. St Kilda

13. Melbourne

14. Western Bulldogs

15. Kangaroos

16. Carlton

Sell a game, get more debt from the AFL in the form of a loan, get the AFL to buy MCLabour Park and the ship will just right itself! :roll:

Are the AFL stil going to take over MCLabour Park? :?

That deal seems to have gone a bit quiet.


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Club reckons it would be worth at least $400,000.


Won't it cost us that much to fly the entourage over ??!!??

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p(12)terg wrote:
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Club reckons it would be worth at least $400,000.


Won't it cost us that much to fly the entourage over ??!!??


Aren't travel costs covered by Qantas' sponsorship?

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Synbad wrote:
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The Flowerdrum probably turns over more bucks than our club....


It certainly did when i used to continually lose "spoofing " for the bill! :roll: :oops:


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Bump......


The argument in this thread always remained with me as a low point of CFC supporters' collective mood.

Given that we have just secured a power draw for 2008, and enhanced our position as a power VIC club, I just want to reflect a little on how happy I am that we never sold any home games.

Firstly, though, my battle cry from earlier in the thread

ALL CARLTON HOME GAMES IN MELBOURNE FOREVER!!!!

Selling home games is the ultimate sign of weakness and an admission that you can't cut it independently in the Victorian market. WE CAN!

Look at Footscray who play 7 interstate this year. We see 3 more live games than them, and remain rooted in this city.

Hawthorn are Tassie.

Melbourne sell games, now to Canberra (Bris didn;t work out) and have been rewarded with the moset 'powerless' draw. No night games and all SUnday arvo foxtel fixtures.

Selling your club's roots is a nothing step and admission that you;re a small club.

Thank God we didn't do it. We are a power Victorian club and I hope nobody ever thinks like this again.


ALL CARLTON HOME GAMES IN MELBOURNE FOREVER!!!!

Oh, and Sir Richard Pratt, you are a God amongst men.

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simonverbeek wrote:
Bump......


The argument in this thread always remained with me as a low point of CFC supporters' collective mood.

Given that we have just secured a power draw for 2008, and enhanced our position as a power VIC club, I just want to reflect a little on how happy I am that we never sold any home games.

Firstly, though, my battle cry from earlier in the thread

ALL CARLTON HOME GAMES IN MELBOURNE FOREVER!!!!

Selling home games is the ultimate sign of weakness and an admission that you can't cut it independently in the Victorian market. WE CAN!

Look at Footscray who play 7 interstate this year. We see 3 more live games than them, and remain rooted in this city.

Hawthorn are Tassie.

Melbourne sell games, now to Canberra (Bris didn;t work out) and have been rewarded with the moset 'powerless' draw. No night games and all SUnday arvo foxtel fixtures.

Selling your club's roots is a nothing step and admission that you;re a small club.

Thank God we didn't do it. We are a power Victorian club and I hope nobody ever thinks like this again.


ALL CARLTON HOME GAMES IN MELBOURNE FOREVER!!!!

Oh, and Sir Richard Pratt, you are a God amongst men.


ALL CARLTON HOME GAMES IN MELBOURNE FOREVER!!!!

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We see 3 more live games than them, and remain rooted in this city.




Nah...I think we'll improve :oops:

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LOL :-D

From a selfish personal POV, I would have supported an extra game in Perth. More importantly from a club POV, I'm wrapt that we are playing all our home games and 18 games in total in Melbourne.

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