2003: 18.5
2004: 16.9

Stand corrected, even with OOBOFs. If Waitey could do this, we'd be creamin'!!!!

Yes a few OOF there...but Fev's total should include OOF as well

Back to Carrots - I have been a constant critic of his disposal and in some of the games it has been extremely clear that he is a bit of a liability down back. I prefer McGrath in a BP, his disposal and willingness to stay close to his opponent is important and allows us flexibility.

I don't doubt Carrazzo's ability to win the football - that has never been questioned, it's his disposal. Do you think clubs would have overlooked him if he had good disposal? No way, not with the way he racks up possessions.

I'd like him in the middle for that very reason. I don't think it's helpful to compare him to Ratts, because Ratts' disposal was always good IIRC. Bentick is more Ratten like in that his disposal and hands are good and is a willing tackler.

Of the two, I prefer Bentick and I might be alone, but I feel that Bentick is a safer player in that you know he won't waste the ball.

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Carrazzo is a strong tackler as well.

Carrazzo, IMHO is close to the "complete package", minus the kicking.

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Do you think Carrots disposal is poor becaue he is trying to go long to fit in with Pagans Paddock Plan, or is it a case that at times he lacks an awareness of better options around him?

I am suggesting here that Perhaps if its the former - ie he is trying to go long - perhaps he is overkicking the ball resuting in kicks over targets heads....

If its an awareness thing I am not so sure that is something you can be taught or train to. The kicking stuff thought is definitely fixable.....

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BRMW,

I think it's a case of him not having the vision to be able to assess all the options and unfortunately it leads him to go for the hail Mary kick. His disposal under pressure is particularly poor. Look I know it's going to be poor if anyone's under pressure, but he spends too long assessing options - rather than taking the first one.

Perhaps he's being a bit fancy?

Yes, well, just waiting for Pete Garrett to retire from politics now...

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Didnt 16 clubs overlook Thorton in the national draft and 16 overlooked betts also in the national draft. There are any number of reasons for being overlooked - even Mal Michael was missed in the draft.

More particularly Carrazzo was considered as an early to mid range draft pick in his draft year before he missed most of the second half of the TAC cup matches before the draft with a long term injury.In fact if I recall he was Captain of his TAC side at 17 and considered a likely prospect.

I agree with all your comments Clem. However most are typical of a young footballer that has played only 5 AFL games.

Carrot's kicking isn't an experience problem - he's been in the game for a long time and had a lot of time to practice the skills. If a guy is getting hassled out of a pack and his kick comes askew then you don't tend to notice the bad kicks. I think we notice his kicking because he makes the occasional error when unpressured.

I think the issue is a bit like Wiggins. He has trouble estimating distances, and will kick over people's heads or at their feet. Not sure how to solve something like this, but other than a couple of left foot air balls last game, if you watch him you'll see these kicks falling short or long.

On the positive side, I think he's really trying with both feet, which is great, and his right is better, PLUS, he will have games where you won't notice it at all. He had this amazing purple patch for the ants last year prior to his promotion and injury, where he was brilliant with his kickign. I guess, like most things, its a form thing.

I think Carazzo has done brilliantly well in his first five senior games. Very exciting prospect, even if his kicking does not improve greatly. He reminds me of many of the smaller players we had in the 70's and 80's nothing I can pinpoint but there is just 'something' there.

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You're such a suck, Jarusa.

Actually, i think Carazzo is better on his left foot than his right....strange for a right footer.

Though Tredrea is similar...go figure

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Disagree CC - but lets report back after Saturday night... he occasionally floats his left, but his right are direct kicks. Both sides i think he suffers from the distance thing.

Hey Suck.. I mean Jarusa, does any site measure effective / ineffective for both feet for any footy players?

None that I know of, but there are people here that quote those sorts of stats all the time. Would love to know where they get them from.

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That's 1 ineffctive handball to Jarusa....

Poor disposal Jarusa

It's more a perception thing I guess.

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I think it is great that he is being criticised, it means he is getting the ball. If you get the ball a lot early in a career you open yourself up for more criticism.

Everyone will be happy in the end anyway, those that back him will feel vindicated and satisfied when he becomes a good player, those that criticise his disposal will also be happy when he becomes a good player, because decision making and skills should gradually rise with senior experience, those that criticise will feel vindicated as well even if the improvement in disposal would have happened anyway.

His stats for his first 5 games are amazing especially considering that he is playing a low-disposal game plan (even Stevens finds it difficult to rack up 30 possies), and off a flank/pocket. Great effort.

Andrew McKay was not the best kick either, but he was a great player.

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Interesting that you mention Tredrea Clem, as early in his career if my memory serves me correctly, his disposal by foot was not the best.

I remember in his first couple of years the only times his goals outscored his points was against us

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I love the kid..........

i do..........he goes alright...........!

i have a good feeling about him.........once
he gets total confidence.......look out........!


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Anyhow folks,i reckon this debate has been pretty much settled by the selectors with the inclusion of chisel.Its into the guts for carrots.

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Here is some intersting stats on Carrots - check the link out

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/A/Andrew_Carrazzo.html

After his 5 games his averages are:

Disposals : 16
Kicks: 9.8
Tackles : 2.8

Not too shabby.