Well I have been reading over posts this week and is it me - or is there a distinct air of Hypercriticism going on the TC site? The Houlihan hammering, the Carrazo mauling..... and the list goes on....

Whilst I can accept posters are peeved with our lucklustre performaces so far this season, I cannot understand for the life of me why there appears to be such ridiculous criticisms of late. Is it just for the sake of it?

Perspective 1: OK we won the Wizzer - nice work YAY!! - did that mean we were going to be red hot favourites for the eight in the 'real stuff'? Come on - let common sense prevail.....

Our team is still, at the end of the day a team of foot soldiers. What is it someone said about "A team of champions as opposed to a "champion team"? Clearly we don't fall into either category as yet. Our list is being reborn - we have kids - we have some experience to help them, but the simple fact is mistakes are going to creep into the way we play. Mistakes like those that have seen us seemingly let winnable games in North & Collingwood slip away....

Perspective 2: Three games into the season and how in all honesty, how many good quarters of footy do you think we have played? IMO its only one good quarter in three games! That of course being the last quarter against the Bummers. One good quarter in three games has resulted in one win, but more importantly the losses have not been shellackings - clearly this is a sign of improvement from last year. This season we have played shit but have not copped hidings - Last season when we played shit - we scored three 100 plus point beltings!! I believe this to be a significant point.....

The Fev & Lance show: Clearly the most dominant players in the Wizzer - but come H&A time and its a bit of a fizzer show....

Perspective 3: Fev & Lance were getting superb service from the midfield in Wizzer, H&A I dont believe this to be the case. Again I would point to the vaguries of having a young list, and a team of foot soldiers - not champions as possible reasons. Does this mean we should bag them? Be hypercritical of them??

I could keep going on my tirade but I think or at least hope the points I have raised have got accross.

I will finish on this Note....

"Keep the faith and you shall be rewarded"

GO BLUES!!

A combination of heightened expections and bone picking I would suspect

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Unfortunately after a loss, you will always have people looking for a scapegoat. Usually they will condemn a whole career on the basis of a single game, quarter or even kick. There is nothing wrong with criticism but the hysteria in the past 2 weeks is ridiculous

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I guess there's a fine line between blatant shit-stirring and constructive criticism that some peopl have trouble defining.

I reckon this community has always been reasonably good at self-regulation, and whenever someone steps over the line they normally get shot down fairly quick smart.

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tend to agree with the general consensus here.

the conversation though is pretty healthy and gives us a pretty good perspective of where we are at.

IMO - winning the wizard cup wasnt what built up the expectations, it was the way that we went about it that did.

We where all hoping and expecting that to continue into the real season, it hasnt, we have played 1/4 out of 12 the way we did in the wizzer and we run amock.

We are still a young side and alot of improvment is yet to come, however, the overall positive for me to date, is the fact that while we havent played anywhere near our best, we have still been in the hunt for vast majorities of the game. Infact, if it wasnt for the incredibly acciracy that the opposing teams have kicked against us, i dare say we could reasonably be 2-1 if not 3 - 0 and then it would be a completly different spectrum on this website.

but time will tell

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

Its been a little Ricmondesque around here.

Thats ok, we'll reserve a spot on the wagon for those people and when we win they'll be welcome to take their place in their seat.

There will be knowing look amongst the rest of us behind their back

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The difference is, our criticism is informed.

Sorry, I forgot players were beyond our critique, because they wear Navy Blue.

As far as massive overreactions go, this thread is daylight in front of any criticism of players posted here.

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I don't think any of this is aimed at you Tyrant, rather the 'who should we give the arse' type threads. Your Carrots thread was awesome debate - how can we make a good kid better type stuff, and focussed on positives rather than negatives...

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If anyone makes an outlandish statement about a particular player they will get picked apart fairly quickly if that criticism is based just on emotional reasons.

Constructive criticism is good, and even unconstructive criticism is OK (as long as it is challenged). There are enough people on here with an in depth knowledge of the players and the game plan that the board does not reduce to a flame war or endless negative rants.

This is a great board, the balance between positive and negative is never going to be perfect, but the balance has been pretty good, even considering a loss to Collingwood.

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You think it's bad here, you should see what's been written lately at another unofficial forum.....(you know what I'm talking about)

I agree with Tyrant. We can't excuse bad performances just because they wear Navy Blue.

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BRMW has actually named Carrazzo though. Not a single person in here has said "Carrazzo is shit... delist him"... but rather, the "hypercritical" ones have said "the guy can't kick, and he's at a delicate stage of his career... and, because we see him as a big part of the future, we have to send him a message about it."

Part of his "professional development plan". We can either try him in new positions... put the heat on MORE to speed the improvement, or get him out of the team to work on it.

We're not playing for a premiership, we're playing for growth.

No one has lost any faith. We're all just trying to get the right sort of growth going.

Criticism (learning from mistakes) is the best way to grow... and you don't encourage someone's growth by heckling them. We're no doing that. We might use creative titles and throw away lines to make our points (such is the domain of the net-critic).. but... to me....... this thread is just smoke blowing.

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Sooooo.........

is being positive.....a negative........?

cos i know being negative......is not being
positive........!

actually if being negative...is not positive.....
then i suppose being positive...is not being
negative...........!

there ya go......i've arnswered my own question....
sorry about that......!


kindest regards tommi

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Tyrants - Deano is right - thread was not aimed at you personally or anyone in else in particular

The use of the carazzo debate in retrospect was probably a mistake, however I will still stand by my point that some reactions were misguided.

In general the point of my post was to give some perspectives of where I think the CFC are at - and perhaps bringing in the bigger picture rather than identifying individual situations.

I also agree that in general criticism is informed on this site - and I certainly dont believe players that wear the navy blue are beyond criticism - but I believe some perspective is worthwhile considering when doing so.

At the end of the day I love this club and I want it to succeed as much as anyone else. At the same time - I am willing to endure some hardship along the way, because I firmly believe that all the hardship we will endure as a team will be worthwhile for what is to come in the future when the CFC becomes a premiership contender again.

Really, threads like this are more damaging than the level of criticism on this site, because they discourage healthy debate

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I don't think it's discouraging healthy debate, but rather discouraging unnecessary shitcaning.

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of which there's been none

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APart from personal attacks against Tyrant

Tyrants you said

Which is one of my points in my post :

I am not sure what you mean - as I have explained I have written what my perspective is on where the CFC is at and yet that is damaging??

If you dont agree with my perspectiove then explain why - then we have a debate - otherwise you are simply contradicting yourself.....

I think campo was the subject of both constructive criticism and straight out abuse this week.

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Look

There'll always be supporters who say "sack David Clarke... he's crap" etc etc.

And, there'll be threads about who we should delist and how we should trade at round 3.

Those threads aren't for everyone. I personally don't read them. But, there is a population of supporters who like them, and they shouldn't be stopped just because some of us idealogically oppose those threads, because really that's just debate disguised as (what some of us would call) "shitcanning".

"Woe, some supporters are more negative than me" is fine, but they're not WRONG for it. Some Carlton supporters are poorly educated, couldnt' spell Koutoufides, and are uglier than me... I wouldn't go on and diminish their right to support carlton by yelling out "GO COOPERFIDIES".

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