Forget the spray....If the kid is worth any chop he'll cope just fine.....It's just a part of their chosen world and they should understand that.

If he does crack it, and he is severely homesick, his currency will be substancial in two years time (Weagles and Dockers).


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Caz you are much closer to the action at the Bullants and training than me, and you're opinions are always fair and reasonable, and I mainly find myself agreeing with you, but I don't reckon Mitch is much chop. I actually posted a topic in Talking Bullants last year about my view of Mitch after listening to several of his dull uninspiring addresses at Ant games. He did well with the Ants last year but we are crying out for coaches who connect with players and have a real skill at dealing with a wide range of personalities and getting the best out of them; building their confidence and making them into great senior footballers. I know Britts is not popular now, but I thought he was miles ahead of Mitch as a coach of the ressies.

If I was 18 and a gun footballer (I'm not and never was) I think I'd barely take any notice of Mitch because he just doesn't connect. He puts players down, but I've not seen him lift them up. Maybe I'm being too hard and haven't observed his strengths but he seems to me to be another dull coach on our dull coaching panel. I think DP surrounds himself with mediocrities that won't challenge him.

Cazz ,Fair enough..I wasnt there so I will go with your version of severe, no one is saying you treat them like U11's but you have to know your player and the level of severity they can handle...from what you said it doesnt sound over the top or demeaning .
I think I read Colin Wisbeys review of Bower and correct me if I am wrong he suggested Bower was a play off your man, rebounding CHB rather than a body on body close contact type....that would seem to back up Mitchells spray....perhaps his future at senior level wont be as a true CHB...more your Michael Sexton type role.?

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

It's 2006, taking an 18 year old kid from the other side of the country and ridiculing him in front of his team mates is bullying pure and simple. As for his coaching surely you jest, remember the Werribee game last year comical or the finals capitulations, look at our lack of player development. Is it so important to destroy any creativity and flair in our team as to shatter the kid's confidence.

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When I saw Paul at the cricket at the Telstra Dome in Feb we had a chat about a few things. When I asked him how the WA boys ( him amd Josh) were settling in, in the big smoke he did say that he was a bit homesick.
He said then that he was about to move in to a new pad with a couple of team mates and he was looking forward to the change. He mentioned who they were but I have forgotten. I do remember saying " I hope its not Laurie and Karl, and he just looked at me a bit non-plussed.

I remember when I went to boarding school at age 14. I was a bit homesick for a couple of days, but got over it. It is probably more of a factor for kids who come from a close knit family.

He looked pretty happy at the cricket.

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I have questioned the value Elsaugh, Libba and Mitchell have added to the club for a long while. Mitchell may be the pick of the bunch but he's not necessarily much chop. In fact after being around the club for over 12 years perhaps its time he heads off.

He wasn't the only one who copped a spray from reports and he wasn't berated in true fashion.

What's to say if Mitchell thought he was too harsh he hasn't already gone along and had a better chat to him? Heat of the moment, get over it.

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Sorry ballistic, just lame ass attempted humour. Sure let's have a drink some time.

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I would suspect the people who know Mitch away from footy or those who remember his antics with Luke O'Sullivan would laugh at that comment Gerry.

Mitchell would be one of the best instructional and educational coaches in the caper.
He never acts impulsively and his dressing down of Bower would have been measured and well thought out.
On several occasions I've seen Mitchell have a quiet word to Bower about running forward when the ball is in dispute and for not giving the ball off to a better option.
A couple of weeks ago, a senior player gave Bower a big bake for trying to do it all himself.
Obviously Mitchell thought a spray was the best option as the slowly/softly approach obviously wasnt working.

It always should be displayed to all the players that if a player puts their own interests before the teams, they will suffer the consequences and Mitchells actions would have achieved that.

Mitchell doesnt try to be the players best mate but he offers far more scope for initiative and creativity than most other coaches.
As long as the team rules are not compromised.
Bower will be a quality player but only if he understands the basic principles of team play.
He wont learn from anyone better.

I think we undervalue the abilities of Barry Mitchell.
He gives every opportunity to players to learn. His only aim is to improve the youngsters and make them AFL players.
He played over 200 games, won a B&F in a team full of gun players, a leading goalkicker for the Swans and was a All Australian.
He was short, slow and his kicking lacked penetration but he knew how to get the pill.

Our kids are in good hands.

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Spot on.

Exactly the reason why we got rid of the whinging little b!tches like Beaumont when Pagan arrived.

If they can't take that kind of coaching advice, they shouldn't be playing professional sport ... and I don't want those type of guys wearing navy blue!

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BV, good to hear you and Caz have such a positive view of Mitch. You are much closer to the action than me. I'm still not greatly impressed by him, but I've been wrong before. I think, also, that regardless of his skills, his future will be dictated by the fortunes of the senior team and coach

IS Bower heading back to the land of the long white cloud???

Have i missed anything????

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You miss a lot Synbad, but don't worry about it.

There seems to be an issue with the interpretation of the "spray".

While a few people who were there describe it as a deserved spray (not over the top), others have run with it and called it a "severe dressing down" and "ridiculing him in front of his team mates" to name a couple.

He was told off for not doing the job he was assigned to do...pure and simple. He knows he did wrong and accepted it as such. And we do not know what (if any) further discussion took place behind closed doors later.

So Mrs Caz was it as bad as you telling Mr Caz off for not doing his chores

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Nowhere near it mj...Bower would really know what a spray is then!!!

I always thought we should have drafted a midfielder.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

why are we ripping into ever little aspect of this club....... we are killing our selves we all sound like bloody Roba and Patrick Smith

POSITIVES PEOPLE

Murph to play his first game, maybe Setanta to play his second

Chance to show the football world we aint as bad as people think

new year

new life

new attitude

its onwards and upwards

Bullying ?? What are these guys getting paid ?? A fair bit more than you and I are earning !! If we don't follow the bosses instructions we get a reaming so why should any of these prima-donnas be any different ??

The problem with our club just recently is that we have a culture of mollycoddling our players and letting them rule the roost. Well times have changed and if you can't hack some criticism then you ain't going to make it at all.

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