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yes and as you screamed , that's only a good thing when rebuilding. The things you cried for you now deny just to suit your changed argument. Consistency is needed to work through issues not Net jumping. This is not a game of tennis. 8)

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I'm confused. I think we need a bit of a back-story from past threads in order to follow the plot... :?

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plot? Plot! Heck this is a western, you don't need plots - you're either for 'im or agin 'im.

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Synbad wrote:
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yes and last summer denis rotated tons and duisguised the essential lacking of the list, come smaller benches and this lacking was exposed week after week. He is not afraid to use the bench but perhaps he wishes to use it with those that he thinks will add.


I reckon (and i dont know much about footy ) that we use the bench more poorly than any other club ...... our midfield rotations suck!!!.. and we get swamped as matches go on...


Synbad yeah gotta have them to rotate'em.
Quick midfielders with talent will be available in 2006 Draft and issue will be addressed by Dennis, any two or if we're lucky three and we will be in a stronger midfield position in a few years. You don't have to be genius to work that out.

Add to that a Thorp or Hansen as versatile gun big man for backline and we're getting there.
We need talent all over the place. The resurgence is taking place slowly, let's be patient.

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actually synners there is evidence to suggest the Neanderthals were killed by the lack of a challenge not by being unable to react to it.


Danny I always thought there is was archeological evidence to suggest that the Neanderthals worked and shaped their stone tools any differently for the entire period of their dominance of the European Continent. If you have read a different report/paper on the subject recently would love a reference for it. :wink:

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Synbad wrote:
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The Neanderthal question too???

S his dress rehearsal is to take a few players and not rotate???

Were going to get slaughtered again!!! :?

Its not 1999... its 2006.

The game is much faster now...

Players need a rest ...


But you want us to get slaughtered, that is how we get the draft picks!!!!

jbee , you seriously , overwhelmingly, convincingly illustrate youre a pea brain.

You dont have to be slaughtered to develop players and get draft picks wen you have a list is thin as ours... la la boy...


Synbad you should be on the Carlton board. I am confused with what your plan is for Carlton and what message you are trying to sell to the Carlton faithful. You want high draft picks but you have a go at the coach for giving us the best possible chance of losing or are you bagging him because we won?
Please make up your mind.


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Agro difference is in climate and to do with 'creativity'.

It seems the Neanderthals never showed evidence of the need.desire to plan ahead because they inhabited a cold climate wheich while extreme demanded body changes (ie short/sticky, broad noses, amazing abiltity to cope with pain etc) whereas out ancestors inhabited the desert Africa and ther ewas a distinct need to plan ahead (eg they buried water in emu eggs for when they returned). This need developed the brain's capacity to think ahead of time not to just react. or so the last thing i read on it was saying. I'll see if i can dig up the book.

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jbee wrote:
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The Neanderthal question too???

S his dress rehearsal is to take a few players and not rotate???

Were going to get slaughtered again!!! :?

Its not 1999... its 2006.

The game is much faster now...

Players need a rest ...


But you want us to get slaughtered, that is how we get the draft picks!!!!

jbee , you seriously , overwhelmingly, convincingly illustrate youre a pea brain.

You dont have to be slaughtered to develop players and get draft picks wen you have a list is thin as ours... la la boy...


Synbad you should be on the Carlton board. I am confused with what your plan is for Carlton and what message you are trying to sell to the Carlton faithful. You want high draft picks but you have a go at the coach for giving us the best possible chance of losing or are you bagging him because we won?
Please make up your mind.

jbee, tell me if im wrong but were going to get high draft picks no matter...
whats important is developing.

Do you think we wont get high draft picks???

Ive outlined my plan over three years.you dont recruit duds.
You dtaft as much talent as possible and develop them to the modern game.

Lance???He isnt a modern footballer so you trade him.
Saddington isnt a quality player so you dont recruit him.. same with McLaren and Co.
If the best possible player you can draft is say Cam Wood.. (ruckman 4 years ??) you recruit him... cos its 4 years and we havent had a ruckman..!!!

You dont play players who wont be in the long term plan of this footy club.. (They shouldnt even be here.. im talking about Lance .. im talking about McLaren.. im talking about Saddington0 None of those players are good enough or what we need to be taking up development spots from Russell... For example we dont Saddington to be a HBF or Lance.. wea want Russell and Bower.. or flint.

Of course they we will lose with them... but theyre the future.

A player like Power should have been GOT!!!.. he is what we need for leadership and direction.. and the club has to continue to draft quality.

On a sidenote.. a very knowledgeable person told me yesterday that Seller has the makings of being a Sticks!!!.. very impressive kid.. both ability wise and how he commands those around him.

Thats the type of thing id be looking for in a kid.

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:-D Synbad, on this occasion I agree, Denis has had 3 years to address the holes in our side, (which a plenty) and he hasn't done so. Some of the match ups are ver poor and it appears that Denis hasn't got any variables to his game plan. The kids are expected to play a crash and bang game with bodies more suited to the little league.

Our midfield does not get an opportunity to rest as Denis will only rotate the senior guys ands won't take a punt on Waite, Walker, Simpson, Bentick, Scotland, etc etc.....


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Synbad wrote:
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yes and last summer denis rotated tons and duisguised the essential lacking of the list, come smaller benches and this lacking was exposed week after week. He is not afraid to use the bench but perhaps he wishes to use it with those that he thinks will add.


I reckon (and i dont know much about footy ) that we use the bench more poorly than any other club ...... our midfield rotations suck!!!.. and we get swamped as matches go on...


We dont have the best midfield rotation because our starting midfield is weak already.
In saying this i do think Carlton has many players who can turn into superstars and take the club forward. I think our forward line is just as good as any in the comp. Our midfield is inconsistant but with the continual development of Bentick, Simpson, Murphy etc we can help out the Stevens and Kouta who have are always getting double tagged every week. One thing that is stopping us from going forward is our very weak backline. Thornton isnt playing as well as he was a few years ago and IMO he is the only player who could actually be part of a good future Carlton squad.
Livo doesnt seem to have the attributes to play on a class A player each week.
Teague doesnt seem to get the ball enough.
Saddington looks like a quick fix.
Whitnall isnt fast enough to be a sweeping half back flanker.

In order to not only make finals but to be a grandfinal contender we need some quality talls in the backline. Im hoping Bower, Hartlett, Edwards can all become players who can create a good contest and more impotantly beat there opposition man each week.

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DP has had his day. We made nistake extending his contract early last year. All we can do is make changes to the support staff to MITIGATE and COUNTER DP's weaknesses. An example of this is TD who appears to be a players man through and through.

We have to make more changes to the support staff becuase we can and they are getting stale.

My number one target is Michael Voss. The minute he retires we must appraoch him with an offer to become an assistant. He is the next modern dat Leigh Mathews (and he supported the Blues as a kis).


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Synbad wrote:
I reckon (and i dont know much about footy ) that we use the bench more poorly than any other club ...... our midfield rotations suck!!!.. and we get swamped as matches go on...


There was a post-GF article about Swan's midfield rotations - they had the highest average in the league with about 48, Carlton were the lowest with about 30 or below. From memory the Swans had close to 60 in the GF (but don't quote me).


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I'm just not sure on whether that is DP's choice, or just forced on him because we haven't had the cattle to rotate through the midfield?


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Synbad wrote:

jbee, tell me if im wrong but were going to get high draft picks no matter...
whats important is developing.

Do you think we wont get high draft picks???

Ive outlined my plan over three years.you dont recruit duds.
You dtaft as much talent as possible and develop them to the modern game.

Lance???He isnt a modern footballer so you trade him.
Saddington isnt a quality player so you dont recruit him.. same with McLaren and Co.
If the best possible player you can draft is say Cam Wood.. (ruckman 4 years ??) you recruit him... cos its 4 years and we havent had a ruckman..!!!

You dont play players who wont be in the long term plan of this footy club.. (They shouldnt even be here.. im talking about Lance .. im talking about McLaren.. im talking about Saddington0 None of those players are good enough or what we need to be taking up development spots from Russell... For example we dont Saddington to be a HBF or Lance.. wea want Russell and Bower.. or flint.

Of course they we will lose with them... but theyre the future.

A player like Power should have been GOT!!!.. he is what we need for leadership and direction.. and the club has to continue to draft quality.

On a sidenote.. a very knowledgeable person told me yesterday that Seller has the makings of being a Sticks!!!.. very impressive kid.. both ability wise and how he commands those around him.

Thats the type of thing id be looking for in a kid.


So, just for the record Synbad, and just in case you ever do run for the board, your master plan is:

a) don't recruit duds, recruit talent
b) teach them to play
c) only play long term players
d) when a player like Luke Power is available, get him
e) trade Lance

A and B are self-evident, but I would like to see it presented with a straight face to our recruiting department. The problem is that you treat the draft as if it were a science, it isn't. You are recruiting kids who are still at school for roles they are not expected to play for 4 years. Your theory of stooping for low picks ignores the possibility that you do so for a Goddard when a Fisher will be passed over by every club at least 4 times. Cam Wood, who you nominate as a preferred player, was pick 18. Clearly 15 recruiting manager's who are paid to identify talent, thought that there were better options than Cameron. 3 years later we still don't know who was right on that call.

C is to misunderstand the current game. The AVERAGE AFL career is 4 years. It follows that about half of every list is going to have just 3 or less pre-seasons with a club, yet you want us not to play those guys? The result under your model would be that every player with half a chance would be thrown to the wolves like Livo. What should happen is that the kids are developed with the Ants, as happened with Waite and is happening with Russell. Further, every club has its fringe players, players with experience and who may or may not make the grade. Saddo is not going to be a Sexton, but he might allow T-Bird to have a more free-running role. Brett Johnson was never going to be a new Greg Williams, but he provided at least an option so that Kouta did not have to play 120 minutes in the middle. So, yes, we like every club, needs some honest battlers. As a matter of interest, having already written off McLaren, and with Barny towards the end of his career (therefore presumeably not part of your long term plan) - who would you play first ruck in round 1?

D - is just silly. Power did not want to come to us. He has said so twice. You write elsewhere that you only want players here who want to play for the jumper, so do most of us. Yet if Power or Kosi come off contract you want to throw 10% of our TPP and the captaincy at them, and on a long-term contract (pretty similar to Kouta's current contract, which you also criticise). Thats head-hunting a mercenary as your CEO, not a football captain. You don't BUY leadership. Leaders put their hand up. I want our next skipper to come from within, so that when he holds up premiership cup 17 he can say he did so knowing all the crap we have had to go through over these past years, a bit like Border when the Australian Cricket teams fortunes finally changed. Those sort of guys hold on to the pain the group goes through and one flag is not enough, they want sustained success and payback.

E ... what is the modern footballer Synbad? Whilst you think about that, we will hang on to the guy who the club reckoned was the third best player on our list last year. Lance is one of the few who on our list that can catch and kick properly and make position (presumeably some of the talents you want us to look out for in the kids) and yet you want to get rid of him?!

Maybe the above requires clarification, but at the moment it would rank as about as stable a platform for election as Valmorbida fessing up to being the incumbent Chair of the Marketing Committee!


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Dunno about POW :-D but it was bloody good reading.......

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Synbad is finally making sense

It has just taken a little bit of time to piece it together


Danny you need to get out of your fantasy world of poets and mystery and into the real world and realise that the things you are hoping Pagan is doing are not happening


Listen to BV :? :wink:

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