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dannyboy
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2026 6:34 pm 
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keogh wrote:
I’m going on the mail I have
Take it or leave it - leave it as gossip.
I have said the board is the problem - is the board the same board, same people all this time or do you just mean any Carlton board?
8 sack coaches - not happy with Ratten but other than that the real issue had been the appointment of coaches - I still believe Voss was a good appointment and then the game changed and he wasn't but he deserved a chance.
7 CEOs in 25 years - but Cook was good (business wise were are back to being strong) and I am happy with Wright so this is one of those things that doesn't mean a @#$%&! thing.
What’s the one constant - your complaining?

I’ll throw this one back to you
What’s Greg Williams qualifications to be in his position
Fell into a lucrative printing contract with KMart when sitting next to a lady on a plane - gossip again. Shit tossing actually more than gossip.
In relation to the 2 Sydney blokes
Haywood has pulled his finger out - or he needed to be given time and right role
He had to because he was diabolical - no just you wrote him off straight away less than 5 games in I think.
Maybe he hated Voss too - ???? same as you????
As for Florent
Who would you rather give the ball to at Half Back
Dannyboy
Ollie or Billy Wilson
He is 9 th for turnovers overall and 13 th for turnover average
So his disposal is below average
He ain’t damaging enough but he tries hard - more than tries hard - I suggest you try and understand what he is doing...he fills spaces and covers for other players (both small and tall) far more than Billy (though Billy will learn) and his kicking is better than Ollie's.
Haywood has been excellent
But hey mate you don’t seem to understand wher I am coming from here - I understand you want to paint anything bad as board issue and anything good as a fluke.
We have a core of excellent youngsters for the first time since I can remember - so good on the board then????
And my memory is better than Diesel
The club has stuffed every coaching appointment this century - IMO not Ratten and not Voss either.
Surely we can agree on that - see above
So let’s get this one right
We are due
I like Wright and Davies on the selection panel
Don’t like Priestley on there because he was part of ticking off Vosss appointment - oh so its his fault....
And Simmo
Well he was employed as a consultant to Voss that didn’t work - dumb crap what you really mean is board appointed Simmo so he must be shit.
He hasn’t ruled out coaching again ??? @#$%&! me some straw tossing is happening here
Despite being a premiership coach 8 years ago he oversaw the West Coast Eagles going down the dunny - As did Hardwick, Roos - in fact probably most premiership coaches cos to win a flag you need experience and then they collapse - admittedly Hawthorn (although they did have a crash eventaully under clarkson) and Geelong are the best at avoiding this.
And personally I just don’t like the guy - @#$%&! who gives a shit what he think about him, have you even met him?
Bit shifty but that’s just a personal view

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I’ve missed agro Dannyboy. Welcome back. :beer:

:donk: :donk:

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keogh
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We agree to disagree
Your not Captain Carlton by any chance
Or is that Cazzeman
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keogh wrote:
We agree to disagree
Your not Captain Carlton by any chance
Or is that Cazzeman


My image is there for all to see.

Regards Cazzesman

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london blue
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2026 9:14 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
keogh wrote:
I’m going on the mail I have
Take it or leave it - leave it as gossip.
I have said the board is the problem - is the board the same board, same people all this time or do you just mean any Carlton board?
8 sack coaches - not happy with Ratten but other than that the real issue had been the appointment of coaches - I still believe Voss was a good appointment and then the game changed and he wasn't but he deserved a chance.
7 CEOs in 25 years - but Cook was good (business wise were are back to being strong) and I am happy with Wright so this is one of those things that doesn't mean a @#$%&! thing.
What’s the one constant - your complaining?

I’ll throw this one back to you
What’s Greg Williams qualifications to be in his position
Fell into a lucrative printing contract with KMart when sitting next to a lady on a plane - gossip again. Shit tossing actually more than gossip.
In relation to the 2 Sydney blokes
Haywood has pulled his finger out - or he needed to be given time and right role
He had to because he was diabolical - no just you wrote him off straight away less than 5 games in I think.
Maybe he hated Voss too - ???? same as you????
As for Florent
Who would you rather give the ball to at Half Back
Dannyboy
Ollie or Billy Wilson
He is 9 th for turnovers overall and 13 th for turnover average
So his disposal is below average
He ain’t damaging enough but he tries hard - more than tries hard - I suggest you try and understand what he is doing...he fills spaces and covers for other players (both small and tall) far more than Billy (though Billy will learn) and his kicking is better than Ollie's.
Haywood has been excellent
But hey mate you don’t seem to understand wher I am coming from here - I understand you want to paint anything bad as board issue and anything good as a fluke.
We have a core of excellent youngsters for the first time since I can remember - so good on the board then????
And my memory is better than Diesel
The club has stuffed every coaching appointment this century - IMO not Ratten and not Voss either.
Surely we can agree on that - see above
So let’s get this one right
We are due
I like Wright and Davies on the selection panel
Don’t like Priestley on there because he was part of ticking off Vosss appointment - oh so its his fault....
And Simmo
Well he was employed as a consultant to Voss that didn’t work - dumb crap what you really mean is board appointed Simmo so he must be shit.
He hasn’t ruled out coaching again ??? @#$%&! me some straw tossing is happening here
Despite being a premiership coach 8 years ago he oversaw the West Coast Eagles going down the dunny - As did Hardwick, Roos - in fact probably most premiership coaches cos to win a flag you need experience and then they collapse - admittedly Hawthorn (although they did have a crash eventaully under clarkson) and Geelong are the best at avoiding this.
And personally I just don’t like the guy - @#$%&! who gives a shit what he think about him, have you even met him?
Bit shifty but that’s just a personal view

Thank you DB, thank you
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sinbagger
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2026 9:32 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
FRASER'S FIVE BIG BLUES CHANGES
THESE are the five big changes Carlton has made under Josh Fraser.

The first is in game style – the Blues have taken control of the ball considerably more under interim coach Fraser, with Champion Data ranking Carlton No.1 for time in possession over the past three weeks and taking more uncontested marks than any team in this period. They were ranked 14th for time in possession and 13th for uncontested marks under Michael Voss this year.

Secondly, the Blues have left the corridor footy and are opting for the boundary line to set up their plan. This has seen them be less predictable with their ball movement and they have increased their 45-degree kick percentage, making them move the ball with purpose. Their ball movement has improved from their defensive half and they are transitioning and scoring more from that part of the ground.

The third priority for the Blues has been Fraser not taking his eye off Carlton's strengths. Their stoppage game has always been seen as the central part of the Blues' hopes, but it has lifted again and in Friday's win over Geelong they scored 49 points from clearances – the most the Cats have conceded this season. Defensively, they are conceding almost four fewer goals per game than the first nine rounds of the season and their scoring efficiency from forward-50 entries has also spiked.

The next change has been moving the magnets and experimenting. Will Hayward has moved to the wing and played more than half of his game time in that role, up from 96 per cent of his time forward under Voss. Harry McKay has played 30 per cent in the ruck, becoming the Blues' No.2 in that position. He barely played there under Voss (three per cent).

Jagga Smith has gone up in midfield time in the past three weeks (59 per cent to 76) and Ben Ainsworth has also been sent in the centre bounce 24.5 per cent of the time, a real change from his previous 97 per cent as a forward.

The fifth change has been some newer faces thrown in, with Jack Ison making his debut in the game that followed Voss' sacking and adding some class, and Billy Wilson also returning to the side. Flynn Young was also busy on Friday night with two goals.

Carlton can heap more pain on a wounded Essendon*** next week, with its three games after that (following its round14 bye) against Greater Western Sydney, West Coast and Richmond, giving it a sneaky chance of playing in a wildcard game.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1531805/cal ... -departing

Just confirming what most of us have seen and raised. :razz:


The first three are player execution, no-one knows for sure if this was the players finally executing Voss game plan for complete games or Fraser rebuilding the plan from scratch. Given this was the plan that they’ve been practicing all preseason, and the way they played pre season, and the way they played in halves up to and including the Brisbane game, you can probably make a good guess at its genesis. Just because they’re playing a different way fir entire games doesn’t mean they weren’t trying and learning before.

I’m pretty sure Harry has played second ruck before under Voss for periods. Midfield mix has changed more, agree with that, nice tweak.

Ison probably would have debuted if Voss stayed on, he was banging the door down in the VFL. Wilson and Flynn already debuted under Voss. Debuting one player is hardly a massive change in tactics, I mean how many players have we debuted under Voss so far this year?

You’re just confused about cause and effect.

Just like you seem to think I wanted to keep Voss, I’m happy to move on from Voss, but don’t try to rewrite history.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2026 9:42 pm 
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keogh
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So obviously Captain Carlton is Dannyboy then
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Cazzesman
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keogh wrote:
So obviously Captain Carlton is Dannyboy then


There is only one dannyboy and Captain Carlton doesn't hold a candle to him.

I pretty confident you wouldn't have wanted to have dannyboy as your Headmaster/School Principal. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Regards Cazzesman

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Traveller86
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2026 11:12 pm 
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keogh wrote:
John Anderson wrote an article recently about the lack of accountability of boards in regards to sacking coaches
Who was responsible for employing them
The Essendon** board have cost the club 1.5 million dollars by sacking Scott
The Carlton board’s decision to sack Voss has cost the club around half a million
When have you ever seen a board member front the media and say I’ve [REDACTED] up

As said by the club the board need to approve the decision made by the selection panel
Yet one board member is on the selection panel
Then Greg Williams in his consultancy role will relay info to the board
Simpson how did he go in being an advisor to Voss
The board [REDACTED] up the appointment of Voss
So those responsible should have nothing to do with with the selection process


Iirc you’ve been banging on about Patty Kinersely and how she should be president.

She was part of the same board who chose Voss.

Should she also go?
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keogh
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 6:23 am 
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First of all if it wasn’t for her Ross Lyon would have been our coach
She was the one person on that board that said no to him and Sayers

But yep she can go as well because the respects game last Friday is hypocrisy because we still have 4 poker machine venues and she has been on a board that has failed us.
She is the only person on that board other than Williams with a true footy background but she is just as bad as the rest of them
Good to see Dannyboy still has blood rushing through his veins in his retirement
He and Cazzeman are barking up the wrong tree.
Defend the club make out I dont know what I’m talking about
I don’t give a shit about that.Reckon if I had a beer in the pub with him we wouldn’t connect and I would be pretty bored pretty quickly. They would say the same about me.
Fine. Imagine if we were all the same.



This board has failed us. This club still lives in the past. Not as much as it used to but enough
Times change. Australian football at the highest level changes all the time. Voss got left behind 3 years ago
Your quickly left behind if you don’t keep up
Williams only job should be to teach handball. He ain’t fit enough to be involved in crucial decisions
And as I said we have a promising bunch of youngsters
We gotta get this appointment right and this trade period right otherwise we are in trouble with the compromised drafts from 2027.

I whinge. I’m negative.
20 years of it
But hey what have we achieved in 25 years.
And why has it been so shit.
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Juanita Jones
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 6:41 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
FRASER'S FIVE BIG BLUES CHANGES
THESE are the five big changes Carlton has made under Josh Fraser.

The first is in game style – the Blues have taken control of the ball considerably more under interim coach Fraser, with Champion Data ranking Carlton No.1 for time in possession over the past three weeks and taking more uncontested marks than any team in this period. They were ranked 14th for time in possession and 13th for uncontested marks under Michael Voss this year.

Secondly, the Blues have left the corridor footy and are opting for the boundary line to set up their plan. This has seen them be less predictable with their ball movement and they have increased their 45-degree kick percentage, making them move the ball with purpose. Their ball movement has improved from their defensive half and they are transitioning and scoring more from that part of the ground.

The third priority for the Blues has been Fraser not taking his eye off Carlton's strengths. Their stoppage game has always been seen as the central part of the Blues' hopes, but it has lifted again and in Friday's win over Geelong they scored 49 points from clearances – the most the Cats have conceded this season. Defensively, they are conceding almost four fewer goals per game than the first nine rounds of the season and their scoring efficiency from forward-50 entries has also spiked.

The next change has been moving the magnets and experimenting. Will Hayward has moved to the wing and played more than half of his game time in that role, up from 96 per cent of his time forward under Voss. Harry McKay has played 30 per cent in the ruck, becoming the Blues' No.2 in that position. He barely played there under Voss (three per cent).

Jagga Smith has gone up in midfield time in the past three weeks (59 per cent to 76) and Ben Ainsworth has also been sent in the centre bounce 24.5 per cent of the time, a real change from his previous 97 per cent as a forward.

The fifth change has been some newer faces thrown in, with Jack Ison making his debut in the game that followed Voss' sacking and adding some class, and Billy Wilson also returning to the side. Flynn Young was also busy on Friday night with two goals.

Carlton can heap more pain on a wounded Essendon**** next week, with its three games after that (following its round14 bye) against Greater Western Sydney, West Coast and Richmond, giving it a sneaky chance of playing in a wildcard game.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1531805/cal ... -departing

Just confirming what most of us have seen and raised. :razz:


The first three are player execution, no-one knows for sure if this was the players finally executing Voss game plan for complete games or Fraser rebuilding the plan from scratch. Given this was the plan that they’ve been practicing all preseason, and the way they played pre season, and the way they played in halves up to and including the Brisbane game, you can probably make a good guess at its genesis. Just because they’re playing a different way fir entire games doesn’t mean they weren’t trying and learning before.

I’m pretty sure Harry has played second ruck before under Voss for periods. Midfield mix has changed more, agree with that, nice tweak.

Ison probably would have debuted if Voss stayed on, he was banging the door down in the VFL. Wilson and Flynn already debuted under Voss. Debuting one player is hardly a massive change in tactics, I mean how many players have we debuted under Voss so far this year?

You’re just confused about cause and effect.

Just like you seem to think I wanted to keep Voss, I’m happy to move on from Voss, but don’t try to rewrite history.


I suspect that while Voss MIGHT have added Ison he would have dropped the younger players after one match. There is a strong chance that Ison, Flynn & Wilson might have been dropped instead of getting a run in the senior side.
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Juanita Jones wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
FRASER'S FIVE BIG BLUES CHANGES
THESE are the five big changes Carlton has made under Josh Fraser.

The first is in game style – the Blues have taken control of the ball considerably more under interim coach Fraser, with Champion Data ranking Carlton No.1 for time in possession over the past three weeks and taking more uncontested marks than any team in this period. They were ranked 14th for time in possession and 13th for uncontested marks under Michael Voss this year.

Secondly, the Blues have left the corridor footy and are opting for the boundary line to set up their plan. This has seen them be less predictable with their ball movement and they have increased their 45-degree kick percentage, making them move the ball with purpose. Their ball movement has improved from their defensive half and they are transitioning and scoring more from that part of the ground.

The third priority for the Blues has been Fraser not taking his eye off Carlton's strengths. Their stoppage game has always been seen as the central part of the Blues' hopes, but it has lifted again and in Friday's win over Geelong they scored 49 points from clearances – the most the Cats have conceded this season. Defensively, they are conceding almost four fewer goals per game than the first nine rounds of the season and their scoring efficiency from forward-50 entries has also spiked.

The next change has been moving the magnets and experimenting. Will Hayward has moved to the wing and played more than half of his game time in that role, up from 96 per cent of his time forward under Voss. Harry McKay has played 30 per cent in the ruck, becoming the Blues' No.2 in that position. He barely played there under Voss (three per cent).

Jagga Smith has gone up in midfield time in the past three weeks (59 per cent to 76) and Ben Ainsworth has also been sent in the centre bounce 24.5 per cent of the time, a real change from his previous 97 per cent as a forward.

The fifth change has been some newer faces thrown in, with Jack Ison making his debut in the game that followed Voss' sacking and adding some class, and Billy Wilson also returning to the side. Flynn Young was also busy on Friday night with two goals.

Carlton can heap more pain on a wounded Essendon***** next week, with its three games after that (following its round14 bye) against Greater Western Sydney, West Coast and Richmond, giving it a sneaky chance of playing in a wildcard game.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1531805/cal ... -departing

Just confirming what most of us have seen and raised. :razz:


The first three are player execution, no-one knows for sure if this was the players finally executing Voss game plan for complete games or Fraser rebuilding the plan from scratch. Given this was the plan that they’ve been practicing all preseason, and the way they played pre season, and the way they played in halves up to and including the Brisbane game, you can probably make a good guess at its genesis. Just because they’re playing a different way fir entire games doesn’t mean they weren’t trying and learning before.

I’m pretty sure Harry has played second ruck before under Voss for periods. Midfield mix has changed more, agree with that, nice tweak.

Ison probably would have debuted if Voss stayed on, he was banging the door down in the VFL. Wilson and Flynn already debuted under Voss. Debuting one player is hardly a massive change in tactics, I mean how many players have we debuted under Voss so far this year?

You’re just confused about cause and effect.

Just like you seem to think I wanted to keep Voss, I’m happy to move on from Voss, but don’t try to rewrite history.


I suspect that while Voss MIGHT have added Ison he would have dropped the younger players after one match. There is a strong chance that Ison, Flynn & Wilson might have been dropped instead of getting a run in the senior side.

I'd have brought Williams in for either Young or Byrne for the Geelong game so lucky I'm not coaching

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jezzarules wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
FRASER'S FIVE BIG BLUES CHANGES
THESE are the five big changes Carlton has made under Josh Fraser.

The first is in game style – the Blues have taken control of the ball considerably more under interim coach Fraser, with Champion Data ranking Carlton No.1 for time in possession over the past three weeks and taking more uncontested marks than any team in this period. They were ranked 14th for time in possession and 13th for uncontested marks under Michael Voss this year.

Secondly, the Blues have left the corridor footy and are opting for the boundary line to set up their plan. This has seen them be less predictable with their ball movement and they have increased their 45-degree kick percentage, making them move the ball with purpose. Their ball movement has improved from their defensive half and they are transitioning and scoring more from that part of the ground.

The third priority for the Blues has been Fraser not taking his eye off Carlton's strengths. Their stoppage game has always been seen as the central part of the Blues' hopes, but it has lifted again and in Friday's win over Geelong they scored 49 points from clearances – the most the Cats have conceded this season. Defensively, they are conceding almost four fewer goals per game than the first nine rounds of the season and their scoring efficiency from forward-50 entries has also spiked.

The next change has been moving the magnets and experimenting. Will Hayward has moved to the wing and played more than half of his game time in that role, up from 96 per cent of his time forward under Voss. Harry McKay has played 30 per cent in the ruck, becoming the Blues' No.2 in that position. He barely played there under Voss (three per cent).

Jagga Smith has gone up in midfield time in the past three weeks (59 per cent to 76) and Ben Ainsworth has also been sent in the centre bounce 24.5 per cent of the time, a real change from his previous 97 per cent as a forward.

The fifth change has been some newer faces thrown in, with Jack Ison making his debut in the game that followed Voss' sacking and adding some class, and Billy Wilson also returning to the side. Flynn Young was also busy on Friday night with two goals.

Carlton can heap more pain on a wounded Essendon****** next week, with its three games after that (following its round14 bye) against Greater Western Sydney, West Coast and Richmond, giving it a sneaky chance of playing in a wildcard game.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1531805/cal ... -departing

Just confirming what most of us have seen and raised. :razz:


The first three are player execution, no-one knows for sure if this was the players finally executing Voss game plan for complete games or Fraser rebuilding the plan from scratch. Given this was the plan that they’ve been practicing all preseason, and the way they played pre season, and the way they played in halves up to and including the Brisbane game, you can probably make a good guess at its genesis. Just because they’re playing a different way fir entire games doesn’t mean they weren’t trying and learning before.

I’m pretty sure Harry has played second ruck before under Voss for periods. Midfield mix has changed more, agree with that, nice tweak.

Ison probably would have debuted if Voss stayed on, he was banging the door down in the VFL. Wilson and Flynn already debuted under Voss. Debuting one player is hardly a massive change in tactics, I mean how many players have we debuted under Voss so far this year?

You’re just confused about cause and effect.

Just like you seem to think I wanted to keep Voss, I’m happy to move on from Voss, but don’t try to rewrite history.


I suspect that while Voss MIGHT have added Ison he would have dropped the younger players after one match. There is a strong chance that Ison, Flynn & Wilson might have been dropped instead of getting a run in the senior side.

I'd have brought Williams in for either Young or Byrne for the Geelong game so lucky I'm not coaching


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Carlton AFL debutants under Michael Voss — 2024 to 2026 (to Round 12)



|Year |Player |Debut Round |Position |Total Games*|
|--------|----------------|-----------------------------|-----------|------------|
|**2024**|Jaxon Binns† |Rd 7, 2024 vs Geelong |Wing |8 |
|**2024**|Cooper Lord |Rd 23, 2024 vs West Coast |Midfielder |24 |
|**2024**|Ashton Moir |Rd 23, 2024 vs West Coast |Forward |11 |
|**2025**|Lucas Camporeale|Rd 1, 2025 vs Richmond |Wing |3 |
|**2025**|Will White† |Rd 4, 2025 vs Collingwood |Forward |14 |
|**2025**|Matt Carroll |Rd 5, 2025 vs West Coast |Wing |24+ |
|**2025**|Harry O’Farrell |Rd 11, 2025 vs Essendon* |Key Fwd |6 |
|**2025**|Hudson O’Keeffe |Rd 13, 2025 vs Essendon* |Ruck |8 |
|**2025**|Billy Wilson |Rd 16, 2025 vs Port Adelaide |Def/Mid |4+ |
|**2025**|Flynn Young |Rd 16, 2025 vs Port Adelaide |Forward |~9 |
|**2026**|Jagga Smith |OR 2026 vs Sydney |Midfielder |11 |
|**2026**|Harry Dean |OR 2026 vs Sydney |Key Def |~12 |
|**2026**|Talor Byrne |Rd 3, 2026 vs Melbourne |Forward |5+ |
|**2026**|Wade Derksen |Rd 4, 2026 vs North Melbourne|Key Def/Fwd|1+ |

† = no longer at the club (Binns delisted end 2025; White not re-listed for 2026)

*Sources: Blueseum (primary), Wikipedia, Carlton FC. Game tallies marked + are approximate given Blueseum edit dates and the season being in progress.  Harry Dean was named the Round 12 Rising Star nominee, one of five 2026 Carlton debutants alongside Smith, Byrne, and Derksen. 

Total true AFL debutants under Voss: 14 across three seasons (3 in 2024, 7 in 2025, 4 in 2026).

But Voss never plays young players right? :lol:

Edit: removed Ison from the list, I need a stronger prompt!
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keogh
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 10:48 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
Apophenia - driven by confirmation bias and rumour psychology. When a person spreads gossip, they naturally look for patterns to support the story. They mistake random, unrelated events (coincidences) for concrete evidence of a hidden truth.


Your grasp of the English language fails to impress me.
I don’t give a shit what you think of my views. The source of info is reliable

This club’s onfield performance for the past 25 years has been hindered by a bunch of corporates and influential rich powerful families with little footy acumen.
Only an idiot would believe otherwise

We are on the cusp of something good. The youngsters are exciting.
So this coaching appointment and the assistants that come with this successful applicant has to be right.
As is the List Management decisions at trade time and draft because it’s slims pickings after that.
Get a first time coach who has been in an assistant.
Get the right assistants to complement him because a senior coach isn’t good at everything
A first time coach on $400000 which is roughly 3 times more what an assistant gets. Assistant coaches are underpaid
Getting a Longmire type would cost us 1 million
The 600000 you save pay scouts to survey
WAFL
SANFL
O and M
GFL
VFL
Other leagues
So many good footballers are left on the shelf overlooked by blinkered recruiting
Have a look at Geelong consistently being in the top 6 teams.
So what about Friday night
It’s one game
Have a look at their list and where some these players come from
Read about Lawson Humpries journey to the AFL
And what picks Geelong gave up for them
Take off your Captain Carlton costume close your dictionary and have a look at how other clubs have sustained success
We haven’t had that for 25 years
That’s a fact not an opinion
Nothing wrong with opinions

And more money to player development
And whatever coach you get sign them for 3 years and don’t extend their contract until that 3 years is up
It ain’t rocket science
It shits me that Diesel Williams is involved
The guys brain doesn’t function properly
Disagree with your views about Sticks as President
SOS
I don’t need medical report about Diesels brain
Get the right people for the job

He is unfit for the job and don’t care what your yellow pen says
Hopefully this time he does @#$%&! all like most consultants do
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carntheblues
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 11:19 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
Apophenia - driven by confirmation bias and rumour psychology. When a person spreads gossip, they naturally look for patterns to support the story. They mistake random, unrelated events (coincidences) for concrete evidence of a hidden truth.



I think that is Keogh's surname! :grin:
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FarmerBlue
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 12:45 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
FRASER'S FIVE BIG BLUES CHANGES
THESE are the five big changes Carlton has made under Josh Fraser.

The first is in game style – the Blues have taken control of the ball considerably more under interim coach Fraser, with Champion Data ranking Carlton No.1 for time in possession over the past three weeks and taking more uncontested marks than any team in this period. They were ranked 14th for time in possession and 13th for uncontested marks under Michael Voss this year.

Secondly, the Blues have left the corridor footy and are opting for the boundary line to set up their plan. This has seen them be less predictable with their ball movement and they have increased their 45-degree kick percentage, making them move the ball with purpose. Their ball movement has improved from their defensive half and they are transitioning and scoring more from that part of the ground.

The third priority for the Blues has been Fraser not taking his eye off Carlton's strengths. Their stoppage game has always been seen as the central part of the Blues' hopes, but it has lifted again and in Friday's win over Geelong they scored 49 points from clearances – the most the Cats have conceded this season. Defensively, they are conceding almost four fewer goals per game than the first nine rounds of the season and their scoring efficiency from forward-50 entries has also spiked.

The next change has been moving the magnets and experimenting. Will Hayward has moved to the wing and played more than half of his game time in that role, up from 96 per cent of his time forward under Voss. Harry McKay has played 30 per cent in the ruck, becoming the Blues' No.2 in that position. He barely played there under Voss (three per cent).

Jagga Smith has gone up in midfield time in the past three weeks (59 per cent to 76) and Ben Ainsworth has also been sent in the centre bounce 24.5 per cent of the time, a real change from his previous 97 per cent as a forward.

The fifth change has been some newer faces thrown in, with Jack Ison making his debut in the game that followed Voss' sacking and adding some class, and Billy Wilson also returning to the side. Flynn Young was also busy on Friday night with two goals.

Carlton can heap more pain on a wounded Essendon*** next week, with its three games after that (following its round14 bye) against Greater Western Sydney, West Coast and Richmond, giving it a sneaky chance of playing in a wildcard game.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1531805/cal ... -departing

Just confirming what most of us have seen and raised. :razz:


Not an expert but these seem to be on point :thumbsup:
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