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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 2:08 pm 
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West Coast might want Cripps to lead their young mids for a couple of years. I wouldn't rule them out

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 2:17 pm 
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Don’t take this as gospel but someone told me he wanted to
come home last year to play at Freo and they said no. Got enough inside mids in Serong and Brayshaw and he didn’t want to go West Coast.
Like Clayton Oliver should of traded him last year when he was worth something but would be an admission that the club got it wrong


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 3:12 pm 
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I'm assuming this is last year for the Suit Surfer. If he was going to be traded I wouldn't rule Geelong out.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 3:43 pm 
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murraycray wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I get that and in that regard I agree with you.
But I am still concerned at the expense and are we just going to be creating a whole new generation of tails wagging the dog.
Only time will tell I guess.


If he displays conditional behaviours, and I'm not suggesting he is, despite him being off since his SOO injury, and we cant Trade him, we can show him the door to the VFL. I'm sure his pride would kick in.

Last years post Curnow Trade when the 2 leaders Weiters and Walsh were interviewed, I was convinced those 2 were the future, and would stand up to anyone who didn't want to play for Carlton.

Jury is still out.

So Weitering is not a leader and should not be considered as such ? And not captain or vc material ? ''Minor'' problem here is Weitering considers himself a leader. How dare he ! For those that want Jacob gone here's the way to go about it.
Insult him. Tell him you may consider yourself a leader but we don't. That should do the trick, oh and make Lewis Young captain. Done.


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Speaking from experience murraycray? :grin:

You're dead right. An insult will usually do the job if the employee knows he's got another place to call home/ work.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 4:17 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
murraycray wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I get that and in that regard I agree with you.
But I am still concerned at the expense and are we just going to be creating a whole new generation of tails wagging the dog.
Only time will tell I guess.


If he displays conditional behaviours, and I'm not suggesting he is, despite him being off since his SOO injury, and we cant Trade him, we can show him the door to the VFL. I'm sure his pride would kick in.

Last years post Curnow Trade when the 2 leaders Weiters and Walsh were interviewed, I was convinced those 2 were the future, and would stand up to anyone who didn't want to play for Carlton.

Jury is still out.

So Weitering is not a leader and should not be considered as such ? And not captain or vc material ? ''Minor'' problem here is Weitering considers himself a leader. How dare he ! For those that want Jacob gone here's the way to go about it.
Insult him. Tell him you may consider yourself a leader but we don't. That should do the trick, oh and make Lewis Young captain. Done.


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Speaking from experience murraycray? :grin:

You're dead right. An insult will usually do the job if the employee knows he's got another place to call home/ work.

It'll definitely let us know his position.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 4:26 pm 
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Trade Weitering? :lol:
We are struggling badly for key defenders and you want to trade one of the best? Weitering averages the equal 5th most defensive one on ones in the AFL. He loses an average of 10.7% of them. Compare that to Sam Collins who loses 17.2%. Tom McCartin who loses 22.7%. Allir Allir loses 26.9%. All Australian Josh Battle loses 16.7%.
Lewis Young loses 20%.

He averages the 4th most defensive spoils in the AFL. The opposition coaches actively work to take him out of the play. Is he a great leader? No idea. But you don't trade players because they are not great leaders. You get better leaders.
Have Weiters, HOF and Harry dean running our defence next year and you'll see a significant improvement.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 4:36 pm 
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Serious question, but does that 10.7% include the times when he is 5m behind his man or not near the contest because he is walking?

I get what you are saying, but if he is indeed one of the toxic personalities that had been suggested last year, is that someone we need at the club is my question?
As for that backline, it'll be great to see, but who will be directing the traffic if Weitering prefers to go 'insular' under pressure?

A lot of this conjecture is based on GW's statement of us going heavy in this draft.
The question is then, where are those picks going to come from?


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 5:57 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Trade Weitering? :lol:
We are struggling badly for key defenders and you want to trade one of the best? Weitering averages the equal 5th most defensive one on ones in the AFL. He loses an average of 10.7% of them. Compare that to Sam Collins who loses 17.2%. Tom McCartin who loses 22.7%. Allir Allir loses 26.9%. All Australian Josh Battle loses 16.7%.
Lewis Young loses 20%.

He averages the 4th most defensive spoils in the AFL. The opposition coaches actively work to take him out of the play. Is he a great leader? No idea. But you don't trade players because they are not great leaders. You get better leaders.
Have Weiters, HOF and Harry dean running our defence next year and you'll see a significant improvement.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 7:20 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I wonder if Austin's gripe is based on his decisions being overridden by powers above.



How does that justify calling in the lawyers though?

There must be more to it than that, surely...


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 8:31 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Trade Weitering? :lol:
We are struggling badly for key defenders and you want to trade one of the best? Weitering averages the equal 5th most defensive one on ones in the AFL. He loses an average of 10.7% of them. Compare that to Sam Collins who loses 17.2%. Tom McCartin who loses 22.7%. Allir Allir loses 26.9%. All Australian Josh Battle loses 16.7%.
Lewis Young loses 20%.

He averages the 4th most defensive spoils in the AFL. The opposition coaches actively work to take him out of the play. Is he a great leader? No idea. But you don't trade players because they are not great leaders. You get better leaders.
Have Weiters, HOF and Harry dean running our defence next year and you'll see a significant improvement.


I have no idea why you continue to post common sense BV. You’ll never fit in here.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 9:47 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Serious question, but does that 10.7% include the times when he is 5m behind his man or not near the contest because he is walking?

I get what you are saying, but if he is indeed one of the toxic personalities that had been suggested last year, is that someone we need at the club is my question?
As for that backline, it'll be great to see, but who will be directing the traffic if Weitering prefers to go 'insular' under pressure?

A lot of this conjecture is based on GW's statement of us going heavy in this draft.
The question is then, where are those picks going to come from?


We have a lot of collateral to deal with Side. As I mentioned elsewhere, Essendon* will be desperate for early firsts next year to get Bewick. I'd take our next years first for their 2026 first. Maybe a shuffle of later trades. We have picks and players we can move without trading our one decent defender.
As for him being a "toxic personality", how would we know? I doubt the players would keep voting him in the leadership group if that was the case.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 10:28 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Trade Weitering? :lol:
We are struggling badly for key defenders and you want to trade one of the best? Weitering averages the equal 5th most defensive one on ones in the AFL. He loses an average of 10.7% of them. Compare that to Sam Collins who loses 17.2%. Tom McCartin who loses 22.7%. Allir Allir loses 26.9%. All Australian Josh Battle loses 16.7%.
Lewis Young loses 20%.

He averages the 4th most defensive spoils in the AFL. The opposition coaches actively work to take him out of the play. Is he a great leader? No idea. But you don't trade players because they are not great leaders. You get better leaders.
Have Weiters, HOF and Harry dean running our defence next year and you'll see a significant improvement.


Yeah , cream rises to the top . Why you would want to get rid of your best players is beyond me .

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 11:18 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:

Yeah , cream rises to the top . Why you would want to get rid of your best players is beyond me .


That's easy Mick.
All some want is top 5 picks, only to rinse and repeat - that they don't defend, can't run, can't kick and aren't leaders.
Also, some can't think outside the square, as per BV's post of switching picks, just too hard for them.

Some of our supporters are caught in this loop and ignoring the fundamentals of football teams. Hopefully and maybe we finally might have someone who knows what they are doing. I can only hope.


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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 12:32 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:

Yeah , cream rises to the top . Why you would want to get rid of your best players is beyond me .


That's easy Mick.
All some want is top 5 picks, only to rinse and repeat - that they don't defend, can't run, can't kick and aren't leaders.
Also, some can't think outside the square, as per BV's post of switching picks, just too hard for them.

Some of our supporters are caught in this loop and ignoring the fundamentals of football teams. Hopefully and maybe we finally might have someone who knows what they are doing. I can only hope.

There's no doubt Wright and Davies know what they are doing Suzz . Hopefully they will buck the long established tradition of good operators coming into our Club and having there reputation destroyed .

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 8:25 am 
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Weitering is the one player who has currency
O’Farrell and Dean will be very good defenders
Both are attacking kicks
Weitering is a great one on one defender but he is too defensive
All players need to attack because times change fellas
Also it’s a cultural thing
Weitering is a poor leader
Melbourne may part with their 2 first round picks
If you can get Vlastuin who would be an unrestricted free agent to provide leadership and experience sounds sensible to me
Imagine if Melbourne had got rid ofPetracca Oliver and May a year earlier
What would they have got back


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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 8:51 am 
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As its turning out the Curnow trade is a winner
Curnow is very soft footballer as we know
Can’t handle pressure
His second efforts last night were non existent
We are a better club with him out of the joint
Time for Cripps and Weitering to join him


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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 11:09 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
Serious question, but does that 10.7% include the times when he is 5m behind his man or not near the contest because he is walking?

I get what you are saying, but if he is indeed one of the toxic personalities that had been suggested last year, is that someone we need at the club is my question?
As for that backline, it'll be great to see, but who will be directing the traffic if Weitering prefers to go 'insular' under pressure?

A lot of this conjecture is based on GW's statement of us going heavy in this draft.
The question is then, where are those picks going to come from?


Weitering was not one of the toxic personalities last year. No need to even suggest that. The personalities who may have caused some issues are gone.

We need Weitering for many reasons.

We have an 19yo and a 20yo KPD in our keeping. The future. Weitering is needed to protect, nurture and expedite the development of O'Farrell and Dean. He is their onfield coach and leader, whether he looks the part from the stands or not. No doubt HOF and Dean feel the privelege having the colossus of a man next to them in the trenches.

Furthermore, the 3 give us all the KPD cover we need for the next 5 years. Depth will come from Young (he's cheap and a bird in the hand) or a better option in the Trade/Draft period.

Lets not make out Weitering doesn't have flaws. He does. Every defender does. You have to look at the whole package and the reasons his direct opponent takes marks and kicks goals. Blind Freddy can see Weiters' opponents rarely take marks against him in a one on one contest. That's a great asset to have for any team at FB. A must.

Weitering's prowess in the one on one's has never been in question. He won an AA jacket for that strength.

His weakness, is the same weakness any FB faces against quick leading FF's, in certain scenarios. Logan Morris last week led hard and quick into space, leaving Weitering in his wake, and kicked 4 goals from uncontested marks. Whilst it looks bad for Weitering when he gives up the chase, but its the chase he has no hope in stopping. Are thos 4 goals against, Weitering's fault?

No FB can stop a leading player in open space when they have a team mate unopposed streaming from the middle kicking a perfect Syd Jackson stab pass into his tit. The problem comes when team mates don't block the lead lanes, and there's a lack of midfield pressure allowing opponents to carry ball unopposed to off load the perfect pass to Weiterings' leading opponent. No one can stop that.

Its not Weiterings fault the opposition rucks jump over Pitto at CB hitting ball clear of our contested bulls and into the path of their running mids. Something we have witnessed week in week out in 2nd halves when pitto fatigues, or a fresh oppo ruck comes in like Oscar Steele did vs Coll. We have many weaknesses further upfield that need to be plugged to help out Weiters. We have to fix those issues, and Weiters HOK and Dean will have no trouble keeping their opponents quiet.

We must keep our AA bookends.

IMO, we need to find a replacement for the loss of TDK to plug one source of that leaks. Walsh, Walker Smith and a FA/Trade will look after the rest in years to come.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 11:24 am 
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keogh wrote:
Weitering is the one player who has currency
O’Farrell and Dean will be very good defenders
Both are attacking kicks
Weitering is a great one on one defender but he is too defensive
All players need to attack because times change fellas
Also it’s a cultural thing
Weitering is a poor leader
Melbourne may part with their 2 first round picks
If you can get Vlastuin who would be an unrestricted free agent to provide leadership and experience sounds sensible to me
Imagine if Melbourne had got rid ofPetracca Oliver and May a year earlier
What would they have got back

We won that final against Melbourne a few years ago because of Weitering attacking kick, so it’s a fallacy to say that he’s not an attacking defender. He can play that role in well organised defence. Also remember that while he may not be as attacking as HoF or Dean, he is better defensively than both. We need both sorts of defenders. Khamis at the dogs has been a revelation as an attacking defender this season, but then he was found out as lacking defensively, we don’t want the same done to Dean and HoF.
We keep him as a key defender, not a key leader.


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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 11:25 am 
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keogh wrote:
As its turning out the Curnow trade is a winner
Curnow is very soft footballer as we know
Can’t handle pressure
His second efforts last night were non existent
We are a better club with him out of the joint
Time for Cripps and Weitering to join him


Agree with you about Curnow and Cripps, but let’s not dump every experienced player we have, we don’t want to completely strip the list and get into full rebuild territory, that would be madness as it’s never worked as a modern strategy.


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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 11:27 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Serious question, but does that 10.7% include the times when he is 5m behind his man or not near the contest because he is walking?

I get what you are saying, but if he is indeed one of the toxic personalities that had been suggested last year, is that someone we need at the club is my question?
As for that backline, it'll be great to see, but who will be directing the traffic if Weitering prefers to go 'insular' under pressure?

A lot of this conjecture is based on GW's statement of us going heavy in this draft.
The question is then, where are those picks going to come from?


Weitering was not one of the toxic personalities last year. No need to even suggest that. The personalities who may have caused some issues are gone.

We need Weitering for many reasons.

We have an 19yo and a 20yo KPD in our keeping. The future. Weitering is needed to protect, nurture and expedite the development of O'Farrell and Dean. He is their onfield coach and leader, whether he looks the part from the stands or not. No doubt HOF and Dean feel the privelege having the colossus of a man next to them in the trenches.

Furthermore, the 3 give us all the KPD cover we need for the next 5 years. Depth will come from Young (he's cheap and a bird in the hand) or a better option in the Trade/Draft period.

Lets not make out Weitering doesn't have flaws. He does. Every defender does. You have to look at the whole package and the reasons his direct opponent takes marks and kicks goals. Blind Freddy can see Weiters' opponents rarely take marks against him in a one on one contest. That's a great asset to have for any team at FB. A must.

Weitering's prowess in the one on one's has never been in question. He won an AA jacket for that strength.

His weakness, is the same weakness any FB faces against quick leading FF's, in certain scenarios. Logan Morris last week led hard and quick into space, leaving Weitering in his wake, and kicked 4 goals from uncontested marks. Whilst it looks bad for Weitering when he gives up the chase, but its the chase he has no hope in stopping. Are thos 4 goals against, Weitering's fault?

No FB can stop a leading player in open space when they have a team mate unopposed streaming from the middle kicking a perfect Syd Jackson stab pass into his tit. The problem comes when team mates don't block the lead lanes, and there's a lack of midfield pressure allowing opponents to carry ball unopposed to off load the perfect pass to Weiterings' leading opponent. No one can stop that.

Its not Weiterings fault the opposition rucks jump over Pitto at CB hitting ball clear of our contested bulls and into the path of their running mids. Something we have witnessed week in week out in 2nd halves when pitto fatigues, or a fresh oppo ruck comes in like Oscar Steele did vs Coll. We have many weaknesses further upfield that need to be plugged to help out Weiters. We have to fix those issues, and Weiters HOK and Dean will have no trouble keeping their opponents quiet.

We must keep our AA bookends.

IMO, we need to find a replacement for the loss of TDK to plug one source of that leaks. Walsh, Walker Smith and a FA/Trade will look after the rest in years to come.

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