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I'd also trade Cripps to get some value before he's truly passed it, and before the compromised Tassie draft. We need to keep Weitering and Harry as bookends otherwise we are entering full rebuild territory. We can replace most or all of what Cripps brings with Hewett and Lord.
There's some chatter on BF saying he's going to be traded/open to being traded.

But you think he'd only go to WA, which means either going one from basket case to another or to Freo.


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2026 3:17 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
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I'd also trade Cripps to get some value before he's truly passed it, and before the compromised Tassie draft. We need to keep Weitering and Harry as bookends otherwise we are entering full rebuild territory. We can replace most or all of what Cripps brings with Hewett and Lord.

Fair point on Crippa and filling his role, but.......
The problem is, and without looking to see which team is on the push and requires a player like him, he doesn't hold that much value anymore.
What do you think we'd get for him and where would you trade him to?
WCE don't need him yet, maybe in a couple of years he'd be the perfect fit but he'll be done by then.
Personally, I think Weiters is the one to trade, while he still has good value.
And with HOF, Dean and if we trade in another decent upcoming defender, would we actually miss him?

As for Harry, I'd trade him to get Walter, but that won't deliver us any more picks in the draft.


Cripps would be perfect for Tassie, but one year too soon. It's more that he's the best we can lose as we have sufficient coverage in the role he plays, than he will bring the most value. Put him out there and see.

We need a senior, experienced key defender around while Dean, HoF and others mature, they're just kids. Same with McKay. See my comment about rebuild vs refresh, we can't afford to strip out all key position players and rebuild again, it doesn't work for any club anyway.


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2026 3:22 pm 
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i heard tassie could be delayed? anyoen else got any info?


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2026 3:43 pm 
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Hey Cazz , I believe a vacancy has just opened up in the recruiting department . Putting your hand up ?


:lol: :lol: :lol: I thought we were friends Mick. :donk:

Besides, a few here think I started the rot in 2004. They may well be right. :eek: :eek:

Think I will leave it to the youth of today Mick.

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2026 4:01 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
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sinbagger wrote:
I'd also trade Cripps to get some value before he's truly passed it, and before the compromised Tassie draft. We need to keep Weitering and Harry as bookends otherwise we are entering full rebuild territory. We can replace most or all of what Cripps brings with Hewett and Lord.

Fair point on Crippa and filling his role, but.......
The problem is, and without looking to see which team is on the push and requires a player like him, he doesn't hold that much value anymore.
What do you think we'd get for him and where would you trade him to?
WCE don't need him yet, maybe in a couple of years he'd be the perfect fit but he'll be done by then.
Personally, I think Weiters is the one to trade, while he still has good value.
And with HOF, Dean and if we trade in another decent upcoming defender, would we actually miss him?

As for Harry, I'd trade him to get Walter, but that won't deliver us any more picks in the draft.


Cripps would be perfect for Tassie, but one year too soon. It's more that he's the best we can lose as we have sufficient coverage in the role he plays, than he will bring the most value. Put him out there and see.

We need a senior, experienced key defender around while Dean, HoF and others mature, they're just kids. Same with McKay. See my comment about rebuild vs refresh, we can't afford to strip out all key position players and rebuild again, it doesn't work for any club anyway.

I agree with all of that.
But do you really want a player like Weitering (seemingly a tail that wags the dog) leading our next generation of kids.
A player that says he goes insular when the pressure is on, then comes out a week later and says that he wants to be a leader at the club.
Personally, I'd get rid of him, that culture has cost us too much already IMO.


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2026 4:57 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Mickstar wrote:

Hey Cazz , I believe a vacancy has just opened up in the recruiting department . Putting your hand up ?


:lol: :lol: :lol: I thought we were friends Mick. :donk:

Besides, a few here think I started the rot in 2004. They may well be right. :eek: :eek:

Think I will leave it to the youth of today Mick.

Regards Cazzesman


O K , just fill in for a little while till they sort it out . All jokes aside Cazz its going to be a fascinating watch as to who they have lined up .

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2026 4:59 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Mickstar wrote:

Hey Cazz , I believe a vacancy has just opened up in the recruiting department . Putting your hand up ?


:lol: :lol: :lol: I thought we were friends Mick. :donk:

Besides, a few here think I started the rot in 2004. They may well be right. :eek: :eek:

Think I will leave it to the youth of today Mick.

Regards Cazzesman


Jack Reiwoldt is a dud :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2026 5:02 pm 
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i heard tassie could be delayed? anyoen else got any info?


Drummond is a bit coy with his language a couple days ago.
But he did say, he hasn't heard anything to suggest it will not happen in 2028.

Keeping the State and federal Govt honest?

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2026 5:04 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
I'd also trade Cripps to get some value before he's truly passed it, and before the compromised Tassie draft. We need to keep Weitering and Harry as bookends otherwise we are entering full rebuild territory. We can replace most or all of what Cripps brings with Hewett and Lord.

Fair point on Crippa and filling his role, but.......
The problem is, and without looking to see which team is on the push and requires a player like him, he doesn't hold that much value anymore.
What do you think we'd get for him and where would you trade him to?
WCE don't need him yet, maybe in a couple of years he'd be the perfect fit but he'll be done by then.
Personally, I think Weiters is the one to trade, while he still has good value.
And with HOF, Dean and if we trade in another decent upcoming defender, would we actually miss him?

As for Harry, I'd trade him to get Walter, but that won't deliver us any more picks in the draft.


Cripps would be perfect for Tassie, but one year too soon. It's more that he's the best we can lose as we have sufficient coverage in the role he plays, than he will bring the most value. Put him out there and see.

We need a senior, experienced key defender around while Dean, HoF and others mature, they're just kids. Same with McKay. See my comment about rebuild vs refresh, we can't afford to strip out all key position players and rebuild again, it doesn't work for any club anyway.

I agree with all of that.
But do you really want a player like Weitering (seemingly a tail that wags the dog) leading our next generation of kids.
A player that says he goes insular when the pressure is on, then comes out a week later and says that he wants to be a leader at the club.
Personally, I'd get rid of him, that culture has cost us too much already IMO.


Does sound conditional.

I'm sure new coach would love him at FB, and will get his way.

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2026 5:28 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Mickstar wrote:

Hey Cazz , I believe a vacancy has just opened up in the recruiting department . Putting your hand up ?


:lol: :lol: :lol: I thought we were friends Mick. :donk:

Besides, a few here think I started the rot in 2004. They may well be right. :eek: :eek:

Think I will leave it to the youth of today Mick.

Regards Cazzesman


Jack Reiwoldt is a dud :wink:


Hurtful Bondi. :donk: :donk: :donk:

I still would have picked Jack Darling in 2010 :wink: :wink:

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2026 6:58 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
I'd also trade Cripps to get some value before he's truly passed it, and before the compromised Tassie draft. We need to keep Weitering and Harry as bookends otherwise we are entering full rebuild territory. We can replace most or all of what Cripps brings with Hewett and Lord.

Fair point on Crippa and filling his role, but.......
The problem is, and without looking to see which team is on the push and requires a player like him, he doesn't hold that much value anymore.
What do you think we'd get for him and where would you trade him to?
WCE don't need him yet, maybe in a couple of years he'd be the perfect fit but he'll be done by then.
Personally, I think Weiters is the one to trade, while he still has good value.
And with HOF, Dean and if we trade in another decent upcoming defender, would we actually miss him?

As for Harry, I'd trade him to get Walter, but that won't deliver us any more picks in the draft.


Cripps would be perfect for Tassie, but one year too soon. It's more that he's the best we can lose as we have sufficient coverage in the role he plays, than he will bring the most value. Put him out there and see.

We need a senior, experienced key defender around while Dean, HoF and others mature, they're just kids. Same with McKay. See my comment about rebuild vs refresh, we can't afford to strip out all key position players and rebuild again, it doesn't work for any club anyway.

I agree with all of that.
But do you really want a player like Weitering (seemingly a tail that wags the dog) leading our next generation of kids.
A player that says he goes insular when the pressure is on, then comes out a week later and says that he wants to be a leader at the club.
Personally, I'd get rid of him, that culture has cost us too much already IMO.


Does sound conditional.

I'm sure new coach would love him at FB, and will get his way.


I agree he shouldn’t be seen as a leader, or be considered for captain or vc. I mean we need him as a senior, big bodied, experienced defender, not as a leader. Because he’s not a leader.


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2026 7:47 pm 
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I get that and in that regard I agree with you.
But I am still concerned at the expense and are we just going to be creating a whole new generation of tails wagging the dog.
Only time will tell I guess.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 10:13 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Mickstar wrote:

Hey Cazz , I believe a vacancy has just opened up in the recruiting department . Putting your hand up ?


:lol: :lol: :lol: I thought we were friends Mick. :donk:

Besides, a few here think I started the rot in 2004. They may well be right. :eek: :eek:

Think I will leave it to the youth of today Mick.

Regards Cazzesman


Jack Reiwoldt is a dud :wink:


Hurtful Bondi. :donk: :donk: :donk:

I still would have picked Jack Darling in 2010 :wink: :wink:

Regards Cazzesman


I didn't mean to hurt you, I'm just a jealous guy.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 10:21 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
I get that and in that regard I agree with you.
But I am still concerned at the expense and are we just going to be creating a whole new generation of tails wagging the dog.
Only time will tell I guess.


If he displays conditional behaviours, and I'm not suggesting he is, despite him being off since his SOO injury, and we cant Trade him, we can show him the door to the VFL. I'm sure his pride would kick in.

Last years post Curnow Trade when the 2 leaders Weiters and Walsh were interviewed, I was convinced those 2 were the future, and would stand up to anyone who didn't want to play for Carlton.

Jury is still out.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 11:00 am 
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I wonder if Austin's gripe is based on his decisions being overridden by powers above.

SOS liked to operate as a silo and didnt like any outside interference in his decisions, and when they were, his ego didn't handle that too well. We know happened after that.

Just like the Houston deal was by The Board. Who says Austin didn't want him, outside of those not in the know? Maybe Austin didnt want to follow the same path as SOS.

Our big gripe with Austin is he didn't Trade more quality. Maybe he did have big names lined up but was directed to target youth before the Tassie Concessions kick in. Maybe he was told to use spare the spare cash he may or may not have had to make up 95% minimum SC spend by front loading and bank the rest to use on FA/ Trades when the Draft is compromised.

We just don't know.

What we do know is The Board/ Football Dept believed we had the list finally fit to contend for a Flag in 2024 from a Top 4 position.

Injury derailed us after Charlie rolled his ankle kicking a soccer ball before the GWS game in 2024, when we were 2nd of the ladder and looking like the real deal, then injuries mounted after that, and confidence followed.

Everything is just speculation at this stage. We move forward, find the right List Manager, the right coach and build on what we have.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 11:03 am 
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Human nature in not believing in your current predicament and future direction plays a big part in your output.
Next 2 - 3 months will tell us.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 1:07 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I get that and in that regard I agree with you.
But I am still concerned at the expense and are we just going to be creating a whole new generation of tails wagging the dog.
Only time will tell I guess.


If he displays conditional behaviours, and I'm not suggesting he is, despite him being off since his SOO injury, and we cant Trade him, we can show him the door to the VFL. I'm sure his pride would kick in.

Last years post Curnow Trade when the 2 leaders Weiters and Walsh were interviewed, I was convinced those 2 were the future, and would stand up to anyone who didn't want to play for Carlton.

Jury is still out.

So Weitering is not a leader and should not be considered as such ? And not captain or vc material ? ''Minor'' problem here is Weitering considers himself a leader. How dare he ! For those that want Jacob gone here's the way to go about it.
Insult him. Tell him you may consider yourself a leader but we don't. That should do the trick, oh and make Lewis Young captain. Done.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 1:43 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I wonder if Austin's gripe is based on his decisions being overridden by powers above.

SOS liked to operate as a silo and didnt like any outside interference in his decisions, and when they were, his ego didn't handle that too well. We know happened after that.

Just like the Houston deal was by The Board. Who says Austin didn't want him, outside of those not in the know? Maybe Austin didnt want to follow the same path as SOS.

Our big gripe with Austin is he didn't Trade more quality. Maybe he did have big names lined up but was directed to target youth before the Tassie Concessions kick in. Maybe he was told to use spare the spare cash he may or may not have had to make up 95% minimum SC spend by front loading and bank the rest to use on FA/ Trades when the Draft is compromised.

We just don't know.

What we do know is The Board/ Football Dept believed we had the list finally fit to contend for a Flag in 2024 from a Top 4 position.

Injury derailed us after Charlie rolled his ankle kicking a soccer ball before the GWS game in 2024, when we were 2nd of the ladder and looking like the real deal, then injuries mounted after that, and confidence followed.

Everything is just speculation at this stage. We move forward, find the right List Manager, the right coach and build on what we have.

Unfortunately this is Carlton, it's always the right coach and the right list manager until it isn't.
31 years now.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 1:46 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I get that and in that regard I agree with you.
But I am still concerned at the expense and are we just going to be creating a whole new generation of tails wagging the dog.
Only time will tell I guess.


If he displays conditional behaviours, and I'm not suggesting he is, despite him being off since his SOO injury, and we cant Trade him, we can show him the door to the VFL. I'm sure his pride would kick in.

Last years post Curnow Trade when the 2 leaders Weiters and Walsh were interviewed, I was convinced those 2 were the future, and would stand up to anyone who didn't want to play for Carlton.

Jury is still out.

Walsh is all in, he has that attitude for sure.
Not so sure on the other one.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2026 2:04 pm 
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What I want to see
Get rid of Cripps at the end of this year . Contracted till 2027 but sounds like to me he wants out
Make Walsh captain
Gold Coast might be interested in him because they are struggling at clearance. Doubt you would get a first rounder ut you never know. Would benefit both parties
Trade Weitering. Melbourne might be interested and they have 2 picks in the first round
Keep McKay and play him in the ruck. Disappointed that Derkson wasn’t d
Selected to play up forward and to allow McKay to play around the ground


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