Im torn between tanking and barracking for us to win.
There’s pros and cons for both.

Worked for Pies.

Was it tanking for Kreuzer that killed our campaign?
We tanked the last 4 weeks. We were a basket case, not because of tanking.


Anyway I’ll explain how having pick 1 gets us pick 2 and 3.

1. Carlton with pick one bid for Cochrane. Port matches
2 Carlton have had their pick 1, pushed to pick 2.plus receive an extra pick at the end of round 1 as a compo pick
3. Carlton pick best available outside Walker, I’d love Luke Jackson like Van Hatton
4, Next team pick Walker and Carlton matches with our Swans 1st round pick and end of round 1 compo pick ( which isn’t all eaten up, merely pushed back 6-7 spots.because we didn’t have to match the higher points required for Walker going at 1 or 2.


End of round 1 compo pick effectively becomes a 2nd round pick to add to the other 2 2nd round picks we have ( from NM & GCS)

If we don’t tank we get Walker by matching with our 2 1sts therefore missing out on pick 2 and end of round 1 compo pick.

We are desperate for a bonafide mobile ruck like Luke Jackson who helped Dees win flag in his first year , and Van Hatton seems to be similar if not better than Luke Jackson.

Midfield Van Hatton Walsh Walker Smith, Lord, Ison, Cowan Ben Campo, to take over from Cripps Hewett Cerra Williams.

We have 16 other under 23 players plus 3 1sts 2 2nds & 2 3rds from our 2027 and our 2028 picks to trade.

It’s an option The Board would be considering as we debate.

What about this reported "Carlton rule", where you lose your top 5 compo if you subsequently match a bid on your own f/s/NGA player in the first 5?

eg.
- Richmond finishes last, Carlton bottom 5
- Richmond bids on Cochrane at 1, Port matches => Carlton gets compo
- Richmond bids on Walker at 2, Carlton matches => Carlton loses compo?

Have I misread the reports, have they been debunked...?

My understanding is that if you use your top 5 pick to match a bid you no longer get the bonus pick.
But if you use your top 5 pick on a player (in this case pick#2) then you should still get one.

:beer: I hope we finish last so I can stop trying to understand this shit

My understanding is that the AFL works out which decision is the most disadvantageous to Carlton, and then that's the rule.

Williams isn’t half the issue at the moment. Plays back, forward and midfield and does the job as asked and required.
Not his fault his body has let him down and maybe if we managed him better and rested him when needed, just like Martin and some others, we could get more out of him for a longer period.

Pretty much.
And that is why I hope we figure out someway to use their rule changes against them.
Then we can watch them scramble at years end.

But to be totally honest, they have us by the short and curly's.
If we finish 14th-17th they will continue with the new rules.
But if we finish last they will most likely revise the rule to no bonus 'this' year.
Then we can't complain as we could be called out for tanking and still lose out.

not how I read the rules at all,

I thought the compo picks was given if your pick in the first 5 rounds moves out beyond the first 5.

So team 1 has pick 1 pick matched it uses pick 2 (no compo)

So team 3 as pick 4 pick matched by both Port and Carlton they move out of first 5 picks get compo pick

1) I completely get it re torn between losing and winning!
2) This new system goes too far, now incentivising top 5 teams to bid on players who might not actually even be a top 5 prospect so they get the additional pick. What a farcical disgrace.
3) I think we get that additional pick at the end of first round even if we don't bid... as long as we finish bottom 5, if anyone bids before us, we get an extra pick even if its not for Walker.... I think. Yes
4) I think a winning culture is worth more than the pick value of tanking... to a point. The scenario under this new system might mean we get additional first rounder(s), not just the 'Kruezer Cup' scenario which was simply about who gets 1st vs 2nd pick... We might not need to tank to get the spoon after watching Richmond and Effendope nearly get the chocolates

- Geelong were a perennial basket case of 'handbags'.... until they turned it around in 2007 and haven't looked back since. FS Scarlett Ablett Ablett Bews Hawkins using very late picks helped set them up
- Ninthmond could not make finals and had not had a serious bid for 35 years! And were on the verge of sacking their coach (again).... until 2017 happened...No Pick 3 Dustin Martin No Flags...One freak player of his ilk willed the victory
- Melbourne hadn't been able to win a flag for decades. And looked to have stuffed up their most recent attempt to rebuild, also on the verge of sacking their coach after finishing 17th in 2019 and 9th in 2020. But then 2021 happened and, frankly, they should have gone on with it in 2022 and possibly 2023 as well! AFL paid for Roos to coach and jackson to fix up the club
- At the end of 2021 after Buckley was sacked at Collingwood and they finished 17th, commentators predicted years of pain for the Pies who were considered to have an ordinary-to-rubbish list, propped up by some ageing stars. In 2022 they finished 4th and then won the flag in 2023! Access to FS Daicos and Daicos with very late picks
- Half way through 2024, Brisbane were languishing at 13th and commentators were forecasting the end of Fagan and the end of the Lions window of opportunity... a few months later they won the flag and commentators now had them favourites for the following year (which they won) and predicting an era of dominance! FS picks Ashcroft Ashcroft Fletcher plus Academy for very late draft picks
- And most recently, Melbourne were widely expected to finish in the bottom 4, with a very ordinary list, a new rookie coach and having just offloaded 2 of their best 5 players, and only receiveing a ood deal for one of them, and then pushing out their AA defender. (Not to mention the Board trouble that continues to plague them...)

Things seem rubbish (well, they ARE rubbish) at the moment. But things can also turn around faster than it may appear.

@#$%&! stupid rules

My understanding is that the AFL works out which decision is the most disadvantageous to Carlton, and then that's the rule.