100% spot on.
Adding to that though, we have Lucas Koutoufides in 2028 and more to come.

No it is not, that is your belief among others wild ones, otherwise state sources they only left because of Voss.
Maybe they seen the writing on the walls with our list, like a lot of other people in the AFL have.

I don't disagree with us having a loser mentality for years, constant change just makes sure of it.

I also agree that standards and success are set off field, but when players can't deliver then what?
Do you just keep blaming coaches?
You really need to stop thinking our players are of no fault in this.
When you change coaches us much as we have and the some of the same players stay and the rot continues, can't you see who is leading it?
I know you struggle with leadership, you write about it every day, but I guess that is just because you are not a leader so you don't understand.
Good leaders don't need to be shown the way, that is why they are leaders.
Voss is a good leader as you just stated, he was a triple premiership captain, if your thoughts are that our player need to learn or be steered by good leaders then he is one of the best to be mentored by.
Weather he can coach or not is none the less, but as a football leader playing for Carlton they have that mentor.
Maybe they are not the leaders you seem to think they are, not everyone can be made a leader.
One of our leaders, Weitering just came out and said he goes 'insular' when the defence is being bombarded.
Incase you haven't worked it out, that is not a leadership trait, leaders fight, leaders make others follow through actions and inspiration.
Going 'insular' and becoming flat is not leadership talk.
All the information is out there, you just have to want to see it Surrey.

I have no idea of the answers to the problem, and to be honest my care factor has fallen off the cliff, but if the Team and Coach is No Good, why has Carlton led at 1/2 time in all 8 games?

Carlton FC's Half-Time Performance in 2026
Half-Time Leads
Total Games Played: 8
Half-Time Leads: 8
Carlton FC has led at half time in all 8 of their games during the 2026 season.


We are not getting blown away from the get-go like Essendon**, Richmond and West Coast have many times.

Teams with no talent, poor planning and a rubbish Coach don't lead every team at half time..........

I got nuthin'.

Don't bother to reply.....................I'm at the bottom of the cliff wandering off into the sunset.

Regards Cazzesman

Like I said I trust your numbers and this just further highlights us not being able to attract A grade talent during those years when we were an attractive option.
I agree we overrated the list, but at the time there was good reason too.
If we had Cody and Harry coming through our ranks back in 2023 like the Lions and Collingwood had we'd be singing a different story now.
We would've added A grade kids for nothing.

15 games to go . How many would we have to win to make the 10 ? just askin" .

What you're saying surrey it is a case of the Tail wagging the dog, hence some of the frustrations from supporters. He just isnt hard enough, honest enough with his leaders and stars. I think there's something in that, given what we have witnessed since midway 2024.

But, youre being a bit condescending towards sidex's surrey. He's making a valid point, for good discussion, because the problem isnt singular as you may think, and want everyone to agree with, and just because it doesnt fit your narrative, youre just blowing it away with ..was that Vietnamese when you said "Blame, blame, blameu, point, point, point"? No need for that. Everyone wants a better Carlton and looking for cues and clues.

There's weight in everyone's point. How much? Ask GOD.

Please be a bit more respectful

You look at a complex situation with a linear simplistic solution.
It's supporters like you that think all our players are A graders and opposition players are not as good as our own.
You all want a quick fix solution and look for reasons to blame hierarchy, all because your feelings are hurt that other supporters may 'laugh' at us.
We have been sacking coaches for nearly 30 years now and you still haven't worked it out.
Our need for success immediately has been cancerous, this is the reason we have had 30 years of trauma.
Surely at some point in time even the most blind can see that developing systems and roles and going out to find the right player to play them, implement them and build trust takes time.

I'll bet you don't believe Marc Murphy when he said the senior players laughed and teased him for doing extra drills and skills.
Look at Dean, he has been at the club for 5min and he is already out there with our recruiters trying to find the next best player to make us a better team.
Even he understands the need for us to rebuild and add the talent our list lacks.
Do you think Cripps, Weiters, McKay or even Curnow did this?

12 more wins to be sure.

My focus is on acquiring Van Hattem and Walker this year.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

One year at a time Grass hopper. Focus is on 2026 Draft Trade period.

My focus is on acquiring Van Hattem and Walker this year.

Back in 2005 when Pies tanked to get Pendles and Thomas, they didn't have access to FA's. We do.

Back in 2005, Pies couldn't trade picks one year ahead, let alone two. We can Trade 2026 (2nd and 3rd), 2027 (2x 1sts, 2nd 3rd), and 2028 picks (1st, 2nd, 3rd). Surely with that war chest we can attract a few very good players who will move the needle and push out our current bottom 6, and O'Farrell back.

Back in 2005 Pies had a core group of older players, like us, who bottomed out (tanked), 30yo's Wakelin, Buckley, Didak, Davis, Burns, Licuria, Rocca, Johnson, Lockyer, and an 18yo Lumumba, a 21yo Maxwell, 19yo Heath Shaw, 21yo Dane Swan, 18yo Travis Cloke, 23yo Rhyce Shaw. Similar profiles.

It can turn around in a year. See these Pies, see current Hawks and Dees....look at North. See what a bit of belief and confidence can do. A new coach will bring that freshness to our group. Well, if you think I'm getting ahead of myself, (Trav, I'm looking at you mate), we couldn't be as bad as we are this year.

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No one knows why Charlie left,…

I am very respectful and don't bite until someone plays the man. You should go back and read what he writes towards others. Start with this:



Full of bulldust Bondi. Support him if you like but I won't accept comments like above!!!!

Not. Going. To. Happen.

According to Cal Twomey last week it had a lot to do with the "breakdown" in his relationship with Voss. that' not evidence, but not sure why Cal would say it if that wasn't the word from his manager or a source at CFC/Swans.

Anyhow, it's done, and I'm happy for Charlie if he wins a flag with Swans. He's been a great Carlton player, ignoring the last couple of years with us, which may be injury related. I've yet to see him reach his Coleman winning best form at Swans.

One year at a time Grass hopper. Focus is on 2026 Draft Trade period.

My focus is on acquiring Van Hattem and Walker this year.

Back in 2005 when Pies tanked to get Pendles and Thomas, they didn't have access to FA's. We do.

Back in 2005, Pies couldn't trade picks one year ahead, let alone two. We can Trade 2026 (2nd and 3rd), 2027 (2x 1sts, 2nd 3rd), and 2028 picks (1st, 2nd, 3rd). Surely with that war chest we can attract a few very good players who will move the needle and push out our current bottom 6, and O'Farrell back.

Back in 2005 Pies had a core group of older players, like us, who bottomed out (tanked), 30yo's Wakelin, Buckley, Didak, Davis, Burns, Licuria, Rocca, Johnson, Lockyer, and an 18yo Lumumba, a 21yo Maxwell, 19yo Heath Shaw, 21yo Dane Swan, 18yo Travis Cloke, 23yo Rhyce Shaw. Similar profiles.

It can turn around in a year. See these Pies, see current Hawks and Dees....look at North. See what a bit of belief and confidence can do. A new coach will bring that freshness to our group. Well, if you think I'm getting ahead of myself, (Trav, I'm looking at you mate), we couldn't be as bad as we are this year.

You can't help but put some of the blame (if not half) on the coaches. No one knows why Charlie left, but a few senior boys were excited at the prospect of topping up with Houston, and after what they saw what Acres gave them for a 3rd rounder, they expected another good player to top up.

Like I said, there's a lot of reasons why we failed this year, not just one.

Good attitude Diesel. I'm a nit sour on him, but glad we got firsts to get Dean and walker without too much trouble (other than 4 firsts fkn AFL)


Charlie didnt like being told to lead and stop just being a statue with their hand up in the square. Sook.

May have been some monetary incentives after the Front ended payments he received. Built a nice spa business with Ed.

Last couple years left a sour taste. Where was he when we needed him in the 2023 Finals Campaign. Rooted in the goal square with his hand up.

According to Cal Twomey last week it had a lot to do with the "breakdown" in his relationship with Voss. that' not evidence, but not sure why Cal would say it if that wasn't the word from his manager or a source at CFC/Swans.

Anyhow, it's done, and I'm happy for Charlie if he wins a flag with Swans. He's been a great Carlton player, ignoring the last couple of years with us, which may be injury related. I've yet to see him reach his Coleman winning best form at Swans.