I seriously want Voss gone NOW.

1 win, and a fluke that was from 8 games. Ahead in most games at half time this season, only to fall apart, be it by laziness, apathy, brilliance by an individual or two, from the opposition in the third qtr or similar. Horrific efforts from our "leaders", the demise of Cripps, the lack of selection integrity (big highlight, the inexplicable dropping of Hewitt - who still remains in limbo), the non-selection of Flynn Young (and numerous others), who has been destroying the door down in the reserves.......... the list goes on.

I've said this elsewhere, - I thought it was more a list issue than a Voss issue that brings us to where we are. The list issue remains, but, It's a case of you cannot continue with this same coach who does zero, despite the enormous amount of support he has been provided this season, good or bad aside, its still there, what does Voss do with it? what are they doing? Did you see his flippant comment in regard to Hewett in the after-game presser against the Saints? His attitude/body language was damning. When asked if the constant fadeouts etc, were of concern he says he "does not worry about that".... That says to me - he does not care. Well guess what Vossy, I care. Myself, Ive been a supporter/member for 47 years and this is seriously the lowest ebb for me, my team is killing me and it breaks my heart Vossy.... Im fairly sure its breaking thousands upon thousands of others too....

Vossy, Its time for you to go..... NOW

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Cripps is the man

Big Footy ITK says he'll be gone before the bye.

How much of a hand did Voss have in building up Brisbane's list before he was gone. It seems that coaches that rebuild lists into stronger position to where it was when they started do not get the rub of the green.
I remember someone stating of fox footy I think it was David King that the rebuild period usually takes approximately 7 years and the coaches that do get the opportunity to go forward with that new list.
That being said Carltons list to 8 years ago was perhaps worst than today.
In retrospect the prospects for 2026 to be an improvement would always be difficult for any side losing their number 1 ruckman, number 1 forward. Think of what has happened with Western Bulldogs losing English and Darcy through injury and their drop in performance.

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Winning is not enough for those that support Carlton, collingwood must lose.

Not me.
I want picks 2 & 3 this year.
Our list is the issue, you can't spit polish a turd as the saying goes.
We need more elite players coming in and there is little to no chance of trading them in, we don't offer stability or success no matter the coach.
And that has been a 20+ year problem.

Walker and Van Hattam and another top kid in the 2nd round.

Strong agree with this, let him coach well into the season, we can tell him with a month to go that we won’t be renewing his contract and he can choose to leave then.

We ensure a low ladder position, keep the “I love Voss” players onside, stop the “I hate Voss” players walking at the end of the season, and save money.

nah... hes doing detrimental damage with the group now.

the longer hes here, the longer it takes to get out of this rut. tanking dont win flags. we been there and done that. need to start restoring faith in the group and getting their confidence back playing some positive footy

Hawks finished 16th in 2023 and 7th in 2024.
If your line of reasoning is that Voss is a poor coach and our list can do better, Sinners reasoning is spot on.
I mean you guys reference Melbourne so either the list is poor or the coach is.
And if it is both then next year will be a development year no matter what, so it still doesn't matter if he stays on until the end of the season.

He was such a brute as a player, and now such a cuck as a coach. The fact he is still in the chair is so "modern Carlton"
All the right words, and all the wrong outcomes.

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Green Shooter

C’mon y’all be patient. We have all that meaningful recent success to fall back on. Not to mention our track record of rebuilding with high end draft picks. Fully justifies our current approach and this gap year. Have absolutely full confidence in our board and the key decision makers at the club to get the football department humming and be the league standard.

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We are on our way back...

ahhh mate. i dont understand a word of this logic.

voss is killing this group. the longer he stays the more we head into 'beyond repair' territory. unlike hawks and dees we haven't won a flag this century.

we've tried tanking. didn't work. i am so solidly of the opinion it was those tanking years that have screwed us to the wall here today. culture irrevocably altered.

developing and building system and culture next season is good. its positive. keeping voss on and losing out the remainder of this season, could destroy us for good imo

I suppose the #narrative would be that, if we sack him now, we’re admitting that we should’ve sacked him last year. In which case, the leadership and decision-making of Priestly, Williams, Wright & Davies must come into question.

Maybe it should.

The whole club is stuck in the doldrums. We’re a distant last on the attractive workplace ladder.

I think he’s got to go. Now.

And those four blokes mentioned above have to eat all the shit we’re going to throw at them.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

I don't agree that he is killing the team, it is nonsense to say it is beyond repair IMO.
I agree not winning a flag has been an issue and is why I have been advocating adding premiership players from other clubs for so long.
We lack on-field leadership.
As for tanking, the biggest issue is we have is, no A graders are calling in to join the club (not even in 2023) and we won't be attracting any anytime soon, so why not cash in on the draft.
And although you don't think so/can't see or refuse to, we are adapting game plans, trying players in new roles, seeing who will be traded/delisted at years end, etc.
Plus the current coaching staff are just as much to blame for the structure issues you see as Voss is, so would you want to keep all of them also?
Either way, we will be trading players at years end, we will most likely be changing coaches and assistants as well.
And I highly doubt we will be promoting a current assistant to head coach.
So next year will be a development year no matter what.
We can build a new culture then.

Given the state of things, with the entire industry @#$%&! laughing at us, I think it has to be a Trigg/Silvagni style cleanse.

It’s one thing to undermine & agitate, but if you haven’t got the conviction to launch an actual coup… you’re worse than the problem.

I just can’t get my head around how two dozen match day coaches & staff found themselves in such a funk that they dropped the ball on Elijah.

Nor can I comprehend how, if Voss is such a menace to cohesion, we’re 11 deep with assistants - twice that in staff, yet none of them are stepping in. It’s all so very corporate. They don’t realise how unemployable they’re becoming.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

Was the problem in 2023-24 that we had too much money tied up in our star players, plus albatrosscontracts like Martin ZW Gov etc? You'd think we were an attractive proposition back then as far as the competitive trajectory was concerned. Now we allegedly have a war chest, but way off the pace on the field. So it's still going to be hard to attract an A Lister in their prime or approaching it, but maybe that experienced premiership leader that both you and I have been clamouring for could make a nice little earner for 2 or 3 years. But who would that be?

Some people never learn....maybe in another 30 years he'll get it.

Too long. I want a shellacking this week - I'm done with him. Can't wait. NFI

yep. those four need to come out with the full mea culpa ... even if the only reason voss stayed on, was bcos GW's 1st choice wasn't available for a year. they need the optics to change here. take the full blame - something we've never done, and shift the culture from within and let that filter down.

get an interim to takeover, play the kids, move some magnets, get them playing positive footy with no scoreboard pressure for the rest of the year. have fun and lets see you all next year where we get after it.

I think there is potentially some validity in that.
We did tie up a bit of our salary cap, but clubs that have A graders wanting to come to them make room.
Pre those years we front loaded contracts for players that had that potential but were also under injury clouds.
Bondi has always been an advocate for us still having room over those years, personally I don't know but trust his calculations.
We are our weakest in the midfield and back then given our output and the way the game was played it was clearly not an area that was a concern, even though there were signs during the 2024 season and is the reason we went for Jagga, but that was not enough IMO.

I agree we really need on-field leadership and that is why I was big on Mihocek last year.
The biggest issue we will have is attracting those players as the good ones that haven't won a premiership will be seeking one and the ones that want to come home to finish their careers might see us as too unstable and there are better options to go out on a high.
But in answer to your question, I'd like us to be talking to Toby Greene and Lachie Neal, but he'd most likely go to WA where his kids are IIRC.
Both have mental fortitude and mongrel and stand up when required.

Sorry Surrey but that is you.
You look at a complex situation with a linear simplistic solution.
It's supporters like you that think all our players are A graders and opposition players are not as good as our own.
You all want a quick fix solution and look for reasons to blame hierarchy, all because your feelings are hurt that other supporters may 'laugh' at us.
We have been sacking coaches for nearly 30 years now and you still haven't worked it out.
Our need for success immediately has been cancerous, this is the reason we have had 30 years of trauma.
Surely at some point in time even the most blind can see that developing systems and roles and going out to find the right player to play them, implement them and build trust takes time.

I'll bet you don't believe Marc Murphy when he said the senior players laughed and teased him for doing extra drills and skills.
Look at Dean, he has been at the club for 5min and he is already out there with our recruiters trying to find the next best player to make us a better team.
Even he understands the need for us to rebuild and add the talent our list lacks.
Do you think Cripps, Weiters, McKay or even Curnow did this?

Blame, blame, blameu, point, point, point……..my answer to your dribble. 5 years to do something about it. Take charge.
Can’t do it. Next please…..