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 Post subject: Re: Ruck debate
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 8:14 pm 
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Yesterday was a case of 2 Bonafide Ruck Forward Rucks vs 1 part time No 1 ruck and a plodding ruck.

v Saints TDK / Marshall vs Pittonet/ Reidy
v Freo Jackson/ Cox vs Reidy/ Young

We have a BIG man problem Houston.

Rucks like Gawn are freaks Rucking for 90% GT with stints going forward, as does Jackson, and Grundy who plays solely ruck for 85-90%.

I think we can all agree Carlton needs a No1 ruckman in 2027 who can play for more than 60% GT ie Pittonet. Any more and Pitto is playing fatigued.

Got me thinking last year about my position on Harry rucking as the Fwd Ruck to Pitto with Charlie at FF.
Last year I thought Harry had become that perfect Fwd-Ruck. His pay check suggested different. We got the salary for purpose wrong.

No doubt in my mind, we need two rucks. Two competent rucks who can also forward. At least one of the has to be dangerous forward.

I prefer the Fwd Ruck isn't one of the 2 KPFs, FF and CHF. Beggers cant be choosers. Right now we can say we have had some success with a more mobile forwardline in Gov and Kempy. Harry was out vs Freo and yesterday Harry played KPF with the two mobile talls bby his side. Harry should play as our Fwd Ruck for the rest of 2026.

I expect Harry to share the ruck 50-50 per quarter with Pitto. 2 rests for Pitto. Harry can be useful around the ground as a llink up target.
Who knows, the novelty of playing ruck may improve his kicking.

Hopefully OKeefe gets back on his bike in the next couple months and take over Pittonet's role for development. Pittonet will miss games going forward, so we are going to want to see more of OKeefe

Harry is a flower cat Bondi. He’s irredeemably weak sauce.

It’s over.
Lewis Young is probably better as that second ruck option at the moment. At least he's versatile.

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 Post subject: Ruck debate
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 7:51 am 
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I'd love to see Young as our Ruck-Forward.

I've been carrying on about it ever since he played that one game up forward early last year, I believe it was.

He's no Plugger, that's for sure. But it's not his goal kicking that impressed me (I think he maybe kicked one?), it was his connection with the small forwards.

He brought the ball to ground for them and looked to dish it off to them if they were in space, when he had possession. He didn't just try to clunk contested marks all day, because he knows he's not supposed to kick 5 from set shots.

He genuinely seemed to enjoy his time up there too, which was nice to see.

Send H down back with Weiters. If they can't sort out opposition key forwards between the two of them... Well, let's hope it doesn't get to that stage.

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 Post subject: Re: Ruck debate
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 9:31 am 
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Adam Simpson on his Top 10 rucks

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West Coast Eagles premiership coach Adam Simpson has listed his top 10 ruckmen in the AFL through the first seven rounds!

Basing his list off a list of crucial statistics, Simpson ranked the best big men in the competition, from a pair of dynamic duos to the game's best individuals at the ball-up.

“With the new centre bounce rule, the scoring has gone up out of the middle, it’s more fun and it looks better,” Simpson told SEN Whateley.

“I think there are some clubs that have won games off the back of the new ruck change in the middle.


Pittonet rated higher than Witts is a surprise, but stats don't lie.

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10. Lloyd Meek + Ned Reeves (Hawthorn)
“What is interesting – would you rather one (elite) ruckman, or two ruckmen like Hawthorn?

“Reeves and Meek combine for the same stats as a Jackson. I think it’s horses for courses if you’re Reeves or Meek. If you need some hit outs, get Reeves in. If you need some grunt, get Meek in.

“It seems to be a good combination, and I think they might stick with that.”

9. Darcy Cameron + Oscar Steene (Collingwood)
“The other one is Darcy Cameron and Oscar Steene. It’s like it’s a last quarter, ‘go’. Last quarter, let’s get in Steene and try to jump your way into a win.”

8. Jordon Sweet (Port Adelaide)
7. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast)
“Witts is an interesting one. I think he’s dropped away a little bit from last year.”

6. Mark Pittonet (Carlton)
5. Tim English (Western Bulldogs)
“English just sits out of that top four.

“As much as we think he is important for the Bulldogs, his numbers aren’t in the top four.”

4. Tristan Xerri (North Melbourne)
3. Brodie Grundy (Sydney)
2. Max Gawn (Melbourne)
“He’s averaging 20-odd disposals, 14 hit outs to advantage, 15 contested possessions, four marks, six clearances and six score involvements.”

1. Luke Jackson (Fremantle)
“19 disposals, 17 hit outs to advantage, contested possessions, he’s at 11. Four marks, five clearances and seven score involvements. He is having a great year.

“Imagine (he and Max Gawn) were still together!

“(The top four) are all averaging close to 20 possessions, hit outs to advantage are all above 12, they are all above 15 contested possessions, they are all getting above five clearances and they’re all getting above four score involvements.

“They are game-changing stats from a position on the ground that you can’t fix.”


Gawn - Jackson combo was formidable. They won a Premiership together in 2021 when Jackson was only 20yo. Jackson turned the game when he went in the ruck to give them a different look. Gawn has reach (rucks dont get smaller with age), and Jackson has the springy high jump.

However Gawn and Grundy didnt quite work out because Gawn was still the best ruck in the AFL, and the only forward of the two.

For us, it looks to be Pittonet and Young as our best combo, with Young playing FF line/ bench when not rucking. Reidy let him and the team down badly vs Grundy and last game vs TDK and Marshall, ball watching.

We need a new No 1 ruck!

In the meantime, whilst OKeefe develops, Harry can be the Fwd- Ruck given Harry isn't marking and kicking goals in the forwardline. If its just getting the ball to the ground, Lewis Young can do that too. Maybe we need both Harry and Lewis in the forwardline against taller defences like Freo and Brizzy.

We are in a pickle. Pitto is on the decline in his career. IMO we need better next year.

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 Post subject: Re: Ruck debate
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 9:36 am 
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TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
I'd love to see Young as our Ruck-Forward.

Send H down back with Weiters. If they can't sort out opposition key forwards between the two of them... Well, let's hope it doesn't get to that stage.


Its been said a few times sending Harry to CHB. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

We are expecting O'Farrell back in the 2nd half season (unless they see a great target for a MSD pick and put HOF on ice for rest of 2026). Next year, if Weiters is still with us :roll: , and he should be he'll have two dependable KPDs of the future, Dean and OFarrell as his tall team mates down back. Should be a great combo.

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 Post subject: Re: Ruck debate
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 9:46 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
I'd love to see Young as our Ruck-Forward.

Send H down back with Weiters. If they can't sort out opposition key forwards between the two of them... Well, let's hope it doesn't get to that stage.


Its been said a few times sending Harry to CHB. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

We are expecting O'Farrell back in the 2nd half season (unless they see a great target for a MSD pick and put HOF on ice for rest of 2026). Next year, if Weiters is still with us :roll: , and he should be he'll have two dependable KPDs of the future, Dean and OFarrell as his tall team mates down back. Should be a great combo.

Don't like to go the early crow on young players but I reckon Dean and O"Farrell will make it . I"m with you on these two Bondi .

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 Post subject: Re: Ruck debate
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 12:44 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
I'd love to see Young as our Ruck-Forward.

Send H down back with Weiters. If they can't sort out opposition key forwards between the two of them... Well, let's hope it doesn't get to that stage.


Its been said a few times sending Harry to CHB. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

We are expecting O'Farrell back in the 2nd half season (unless they see a great target for a MSD pick and put HOF on ice for rest of 2026). Next year, if Weiters is still with us :roll: , and he should be he'll have two dependable KPDs of the future, Dean and OFarrell as his tall team mates down back. Should be a great combo.

The only appeal with Harry to CHB is that it’ll be another very public execution.

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 Post subject: Re: Ruck debate
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 12:49 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
I'd love to see Young as our Ruck-Forward.

Send H down back with Weiters. If they can't sort out opposition key forwards between the two of them... Well, let's hope it doesn't get to that stage.


Its been said a few times sending Harry to CHB. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

We are expecting O'Farrell back in the 2nd half season (unless they see a great target for a MSD pick and put HOF on ice for rest of 2026). Next year, if Weiters is still with us :roll: , and he should be he'll have two dependable KPDs of the future, Dean and OFarrell as his tall team mates down back. Should be a great combo.

The only appeal with Harry to CHB is that it’ll be another very public execution.


Is Harry untouchable? Too sensitive? Is he damaged goods? Doesnt he want to play for my club to win?

Whatever is going on with Harry, fkn find out what it is and if identified as damaged goods, trade him to some team who can fix him.

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 Post subject: Re: Ruck debate
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 2:29 pm 
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I remember the day we played Wayne Johnston at fullback. We did get a big change out of it.


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