initially I agreed but more I absorb it it just feels like he was diverting the narrative.

i still believe we are hiding from a massive failure in looking after a player. as the club admitted they noticed early he was struggling. yet nothing was done

imo every else is irrelevant at this point. the club and voss failed. i know it doesn't happen much these days but people need to take responsibility

How can you be sure that nothing was done? And if something was done how can you be sure it wasn't the best course of action?



In what sense? Failed to win games? Failed to fix Elijah's mental health issues?

How can you be sure that nothing was done? And if something was done how can you be sure it wasn't the best course of action?

wright said they knew he was struggling early in game and they left him out there.

let's not try and twist what is obvious and has been admitted to. He was out there, he was struggling, the club admitted they knew about it and did nothing until very late in game. these are the facts

failed in that they knew he was struggling and left him out there. they failed to properly look after a player in their care

How do you know they failed to look after him? Would it have been better or worse to make him sit on the bench? How do you know?

See, everyone's guessing and no one knows what was done. Elijah's been "struggling" for years, on and off the field. Look at last years Swans games and how he talked about it afterwards.

This is what Voss meant when he said Carlton staff are being bullied. Everyone's implying the club, doctor, nurse and psychologist "failed" Elijah. That's a pretty big accusation, especially when those making the accusation have no idea what happened and no expertise in the area they're making judgement on.

I didn't say it wasn't bullying. I said I didn't like Voss commenting on it. It smacks of the club trying to make itself a victim which opens them up to further ridicule.
As I said, let the findings of the investigation come to light and if the club and its personnel have been found to have acted appropriately, go for it with both barrels. Until then, don't complain, don't explain. It just fuels further debate and scrutiny.
Wait until all the facts come to light.

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This is all rather distracting isn't it? When are we going to win games of football?

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Can't help but giggle when I listen to a Vloss presser these days.

Got to hand it to him, he knows how to spin it.

To his believers... we could be the greatest ever team to win the wooden spoon.

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He is obviously gone
Time to go

The team is obviously improving as he adjusts the game plan and the players learn to execute. Time to commit to him until the end of the season.

Only if you go with him

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Port Adelaide reunion at ikon park
4 now

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"Defensively, it’s a horror show, as the Blues have conceded the equal second-most points (average 17 points per game) from centre bounce in the league, behind only West Coast and equal with Richmond."

So tell me again how stoppage and contest is our strength...

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Admittedly I wasn't paying super close attention so could be wrong.
But from what I saw Saturday night, Jackson was dominating the hit outs.
Every centre square throw up, he had a mid standing directly behind him on his own.
Jackson just tapped it over his head straight to him. The mid would just run off with zero pressure.
Why was our set up so poor? Why was there no body on that mid?
Seemed to happen countless times.

Isn’t it ironic, how we flood back and our defence is so poor. Then if we get the ball, there is no one forward. And we play this taxing game running back and trying to run forward.

And we let the opposition back line just casually run the ball forward while we run back.

And rhino your are 100% correct. Jackson tapping to an unopposed mid.

We just have no tech savvy answer.

We always get worked out after half time as they study our stupid game style and counter it very easily.

And where do we start with selection integrity or the lack of it.

Tired of the same old shit every single year and with every coach.

Whats the answer here. I dont have anymore answers to our issues.

And is there anyone passionate enough to fix them?

We're also equal second in the AFL FOR scores from centre bounce. So we're pretty much neutral. We're one of 8 AFL teams that are in the positive for scoring from stoppage compared to our opposition.
So stoppage and contest is a strength. The issue is having the ability to also score from turnover. That has been our weakness.
The game against Freo was the first time this year we've matched an opposition for scoring from turnover and I thought we looked far more competitive for it. Hopefully we can progress our turnover scores whilst retaining stoppage scoring strength.

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Don't disagree on the weakness front re turnover scores, but if we net off at neutral for and against in terms of scores from stoppage , I don't see a world where it's considered a strength.

Other than the one where we're so bad at everything else that it is our best trait.

OK. Yeah. Fair point.

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Should be a separate thread but the Hollands investigation is turning into another shit show and it’s so predictable.
When nobody puts their hand up and takes ownership for what happened and people just want to cover their arse it drags out
Voss calls the media out
No fronting the media by Priestley and Cripps
So the club doctor takes leave
We don’t know when he will be back
He may appeal the findings of the investigation if they reflect badly on him
After initially saying they wanted a quick resolution the AFL now want to take their time in the investigation Chris Davies having too much of a say in the outcomes what a conflict of interest t
All this whilst the health of Elijah is the most important thing
Disgraceful and sadly all too predictable

No offence but have you read the review? Do you know if anyone has taken responsibility? Do you know who actually is responsible. Why can't you wait for the release of the investigation before taking cheap shots and whinging?
I don't get it. Is it hurting you having to wait for the details? Or do you have a compulsive desire to kick the club on a daily basis and the delay is impacting your desire for negative fuel. FMD.

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