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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 1:08 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Haywood and Florent simply make quicksand worse


They are not slow.

Durdin was unreliable. His shoulder ops were not successfull.
Yes Durdin is cheap. Forget Durdin. We need more than cheap.
He went missing for long periods of the game.

That's why I ask, is it the problem the players or the game plan?
Chicken or Egg scenario

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 1:13 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:

Yes they still have Gawn and Pickett but some players have improved enormously because they have been given license to take the game on
They will dip
Success ain’t linear but they will be better off for it



Is that a game plan issue?

Does Voss hold players back?
Has Voss suppressed player initiative and creativity?

I've read these questions and claims for a couple years now, and I don't know the answer.

Let the players play? Let them take the game on? Take more risks? We seem to look better when we do, even in 2024....then something just stopped. Our game plan seems dour.

14 points flattered Carlton last night
There is little movement when they have the ball
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 1:15 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
Haywood and Florent simply make quicksand worse


They are not slow.

Durdin was unreliable. His shoulder ops were not successfull.
Yes Durdin is cheap. Forget Durdin. We need more than cheap.
He went missing for long periods of the game.

That's why I ask, is it the problem the players or the game plan?
Chicken or Egg scenario

Durdin was ok last night
Haywood and Florent add nothing
Florent is negative because he is a horrible kick
It’s everything
So try some new players
Drop some old ones
Won’t happen though


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 1:34 pm 
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Good effort lacking polish
Freo dominated for 5 minutes in the last but the rest of the quarter Carlton were on top.
Cripps missing 2
Walsh missing
Kemp hitting the post

Could have should have been a 7 to 8 goal quarter.

Umpires gave them a leg up in first quarter but eventually evened it up.

And there was no way in hell that was goal from that across the body kick. It missed by 5 to 10 meters.

Can't keep playing Byrne he offers nothing and if you are going to blood young players try Ison or Young for a few games.

Moir will not make it
Cowan is a concern
Kudos to Kemp and Gov
Jagga is struggling
Good game from Carroll
They were brutal at centre bounces

Hewett would have got us over the line in the last 2 weeks.

Obviously winning is 2nd nature at the moment it's about trying to adapt to new style

Kick the goals we should be kicking
Hit targets we should be hitting and it should turn around.

One thing about several weeks of honourable losses is are you closer to a win or an absolute belting


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 1:44 pm 
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And there was no way in hell that was goal from that across the body kick. It missed by 5 to 10 meters.


Yeah, what the hell was that? On TV it looked out on the full, and the crowd reaction seemed more in keeping with a big miss. This year we've got VAR numpties stopping the game to establish that a ball that went out on the wing brushed the outside of Frankie's calf, yet that goal umpiring @#$%&! up is waved through.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 2:32 pm 
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Only 14 points but it was pretty bad. Another game where the oppo just decides to go up a gear & get a 7 goal margin.

Hayward & Carroll were our best I thought. I have knocked Hayward but his last 2 games have been good.

Reidy was outclassed but to his credit he didn't drop his head & fought the game out well.

Like having Cotters back but he wasn't right. That look away handball that went to them just killed us. Also Florent trying a one handed pickup & missing the ball.

Jagga pretty quiet again. I would send him to the reserves for a bit, wouldn't hurt him.

Sounds like some good options from the 2s

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 3:18 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:

Yes they still have Gawn and Pickett but some players have improved enormously because they have been given license to take the game on
They will dip
Success ain’t linear but they will be better off for it



Is that a game plan issue?

Does Voss hold players back?
Has Voss suppressed player initiative and creativity?

I've read these questions and claims for a couple years now, and I don't know the answer.

Let the players play? Let them take the game on? Take more risks? We seem to look better when we do, even in 2024....then something just stopped. Our game plan seems dour.


TBH I thought we did take the game on and run more from defence the last few games, especially last night. Am I imagining it?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 4:32 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
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And there was no way in hell that was goal from that across the body kick. It missed by 5 to 10 meters.


Yeah, what the hell was that? On TV it looked out on the full, and the crowd reaction seemed more in keeping with a big miss. This year we've got VAR numpties stopping the game to establish that a ball that went out on the wing brushed the outside of Frankie's calf, yet that goal umpiring @#$%&! up is waved through.


That's because it was a goal.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 4:46 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:

Yes they still have Gawn and Pickett but some players have improved enormously because they have been given license to take the game on
They will dip
Success ain’t linear but they will be better off for it



Is that a game plan issue?

Does Voss hold players back?
Has Voss suppressed player initiative and creativity?

I've read these questions and claims for a couple years now, and I don't know the answer.

Let the players play? Let them take the game on? Take more risks? We seem to look better when we do, even in 2024....then something just stopped. Our game plan seems dour.


TBH I thought we did take the game on and run more from defence the last few games, especially last night. Am I imagining it?


They have. Some passages were good.
We kicked 13 goals. Missed 14.
Did something right.

Something is missing. Maybe what’s missing is as simple as a ‘match winner.’

L 14 pts vs Freo Jackson Bolton
L 5 pts vs Coll Daicos
L 25 pts vs Adel Walker Rachelle
L13 pts Vs Melb Pickett Gawn
L 13 pts vs NM Warlow LDU

Look at the current form of our best this minute.
Ask yourself if our best could perform to the abovementioned match winning feats?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 4:56 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
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And there was no way in hell that was goal from that across the body kick. It missed by 5 to 10 meters.


Yeah, what the hell was that? On TV it looked out on the full, and the crowd reaction seemed more in keeping with a big miss. This year we've got VAR numpties stopping the game to establish that a ball that went out on the wing brushed the outside of Frankie's calf, yet that goal umpiring @#$%&! up is waved through.


That's because it was a goal.


That’s right.
If you believe umpires don’t make mistakes.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 5:02 pm 
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Vs Swans Heeney & Gulden tore us a new one.


So far this year our ‘match winning stars’ have been
Walsh, Williams, and a young firing Carroll. Who have I missed?

Special mention to Pitto but injury was always going to cut him down.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 10:31 pm 
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2 pages on post match and only 5 pages on the match discussion.....

shows how many of us have lost faith or interest in the club

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 10:38 pm 
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keogh wrote:
The only club I would support other can Carlton is a team based south of Perth where I live in Busselton
The 20 th license will be given out fairly quickly after the Tassie stadium is built. The AFL don’t want a bye every weekend.
The club has tested me personally this last week
As I said it needs to cleaned out from the top
I live in hope this will happen
For our President to hide behind text messages and emails is a joke. To remotely suggest that it is ok for him to live in Sydney is ridiculous. He is in the top job. He should have been there at the coalface last week when all the shit was going down.



Having watched them live is painful
They have a crack but their skills are horrible compared to other clubs particularly kicking.
I live in hope because we have talent but how would you like to be a kid in that environment
Clearly Voss is done.
Here is the thing Williams should go with him because he was the one that wanted him and ignored Kingsley. Everyone on the board thought Diesel was right because he was a great player. Do you see what I have been saying for years. We are a dumb club at the top and desperately need change
The culture is terrible. Playing Elijah Hollands and nobody saying we were wrong sickened me.
Personally it’s worst I have felt about the club.I feel like Andy on ASP.
Supporters are deluded if they think we overreacted
We are sick of this shit

I can tell you now
Ainsworth Haywood Florent add nothing to our list
Vanilla yet we sign them for 5 years . How does this happen. Time and time again.

Here is what I would do although it wont happen
Trade Weitering before Tassie come in.
North need a key back you may get 2 first rounders and trade Cripps because he is cooked but some club may want him who need a clearance king because that’s all he is good at now.
Cripps hid all week as well. Disgraceful leadership
I would give Walsh the captaincy with Newman as co captain for a year. Our leaders stink.
Walsh seems to care and Newman would be a good mentor

It was great to see Wilson and Charleston play well last night. Wilson and Charleston should come in for Williams and Florent. I really rate Wilson. He is the best kick at the club has pace . Charleston is developing quickly
It won’t happen because our coach is stubborn and dumb in a football sense
O’ Farrell will be a good player
Makes sense to trade Weitering at the end of the of the year
The club needs a massive circuit breaker rather than recruiting c graders
Ison looks good
There is talent amongst the kids
I bother because I live in hope that someone like Graeme Wright who was strong in List Management can turn the place around
Look what Melbourne have done because of Brad Greens actions


yeah, this has been a poor week for him. embarrassing as a leader

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 11:03 pm 
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bender wrote:
2 pages on post match and only 5 pages on the match discussion.....

shows how many of us have lost faith or interest in the club


Think it's more because the website was ground to a halt by bot searches, now fixed


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2026 11:55 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
bender wrote:
2 pages on post match and only 5 pages on the match discussion.....

shows how many of us have lost faith or interest in the club


Think it's more because the website was ground to a halt by bot searches, now fixed
Yep. Site was running slower than our midfield in 2nd halves.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2026 4:05 am 
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bender wrote:
2 pages on post match and only 5 pages on the match discussion.....

shows how many of us have lost faith or interest in the club
Slowness of site not helping

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2026 10:14 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
bender wrote:
2 pages on post match and only 5 pages on the match discussion.....

shows how many of us have lost faith or interest in the club
Slowness of site not helping

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This. You had to have the patience of Methuselah to post here the last week.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2026 10:14 am 
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bluehammer wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
bender wrote:
2 pages on post match and only 5 pages on the match discussion.....

shows how many of us have lost faith or interest in the club


Think it's more because the website was ground to a halt by bot searches, now fixed
Yep. Site was running slower than our midfield in 2nd halves.


Now you’re just exaggerating, there’s no way it could have been that slow.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2026 10:19 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
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And there was no way in hell that was goal from that across the body kick. It missed by 5 to 10 meters.


Yeah, what the hell was that? On TV it looked out on the full, and the crowd reaction seemed more in keeping with a big miss. This year we've got VAR numpties stopping the game to establish that a ball that went out on the wing brushed the outside of Frankie's calf, yet that goal umpiring @#$%&! up is waved through.


That's because it was a goal.


That’s right.
If you believe umpires don’t make mistakes.


I read an interesting article on sports cameras and depth of field. The conclusion was that cameras are useless at deciding anything except for the ball touching a post, or whether it crossed a straight line (ie goal or point line) or not. Trying to judge which side of the post it passed when it’s higher than the actual post or judging out of bounds given our curved boundary lines is a fools errand.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2026 10:21 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:

Yes they still have Gawn and Pickett but some players have improved enormously because they have been given license to take the game on
They will dip
Success ain’t linear but they will be better off for it



Is that a game plan issue?

Does Voss hold players back?
Has Voss suppressed player initiative and creativity?

I've read these questions and claims for a couple years now, and I don't know the answer.

Let the players play? Let them take the game on? Take more risks? We seem to look better when we do, even in 2024....then something just stopped. Our game plan seems dour.


TBH I thought we did take the game on and run more from defence the last few games, especially last night. Am I imagining it?


They have. Some passages were good.
We kicked 13 goals. Missed 14.
Did something right.

Something is missing. Maybe what’s missing is as simple as a ‘match winner.’

L 14 pts vs Freo Jackson Bolton
L 5 pts vs Coll Daicos
L 25 pts vs Adel Walker Rachelle
L13 pts Vs Melb Pickett Gawn
L 13 pts vs NM Warlow LDU

Look at the current form of our best this minute.
Ask yourself if our best could perform to the abovementioned match winning feats?


Thanks for the confirmation. I also thought our small and mobile forward line forced our fwd entries to be less predictable. Hopefully we can keep improving.


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