The worst 14 point loss
Tried hard but no system
For some reason Freo shut up shop too early
It wasn’t to do with any pressure
The only good thing I will say is Carlton is they have a crack
But jeez watching them live they are shit
Haywood Florent Ainsworth are vanilla
Well done Carlton great recruiting
Didn’t Durdin go alright tonight
Dean should be playing twos for his development
We will ruin him
Jagga is a concern
Yet another player who is a poor kick
Another defensive mid
I hope I am wrong and it doesn’t help playing in the midst of a shit show. Cripps looks cooked to me
Wasn’t hopeless but as usual tries to do it all himself
Terrible leader
Honestly that’s the worst 14 point loss.
The players look buggered and over it Moir was a huge disappointment tonight. Is as lazy as they come
Cerra @#$%&! me drop him
We have so many shit kicks in this team
There is a huge loss around the corner
Surely Wilson and Hewett play next week based on their games tonight
Horrible week for the club and they deserve it

We may not have the talent, yet we had a crack and thats what I ask for. Tough assignment and yet it was another 5-10 m burst that killed us.

Well done Blues.

Why do you bother Keogh?

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The only club I would support other can Carlton is a team based south of Perth where I live in Busselton
The 20 th license will be given out fairly quickly after the Tassie stadium is built. The AFL don’t want a bye every weekend.
The club has tested me personally this last week
As I said it needs to cleaned out from the top
I live in hope this will happen
For our President to hide behind text messages and emails is a joke. To remotely suggest that it is ok for him to live in Sydney is ridiculous. He is in the top job. He should have been there at the coalface last week when all the shit was going down.



Having watched them live is painful
They have a crack but their skills are horrible compared to other clubs particularly kicking.
I live in hope because we have talent but how would you like to be a kid in that environment
Clearly Voss is done.
Here is the thing Williams should go with him because he was the one that wanted him and ignored Kingsley. Everyone on the board thought Diesel was right because he was a great player. Do you see what I have been saying for years. We are a dumb club at the top and desperately need change
The culture is terrible. Playing Elijah Hollands and nobody saying we were wrong sickened me.
Personally it’s worst I have felt about the club.I feel like Andy on ASP.
Supporters are deluded if they think we overreacted
We are sick of this shit

I can tell you now
Ainsworth Haywood Florent add nothing to our list
Vanilla yet we sign them for 5 years . How does this happen. Time and time again.

Here is what I would do although it wont happen
Trade Weitering before Tassie come in.
North need a key back you may get 2 first rounders and trade Cripps because he is cooked but some club may want him who need a clearance king because that’s all he is good at now.
Cripps hid all week as well. Disgraceful leadership
I would give Walsh the captaincy with Newman as co captain for a year. Our leaders stink.
Walsh seems to care and Newman would be a good mentor

It was great to see Wilson and Charleston play well last night. Wilson and Charleston should come in for Williams and Florent. I really rate Wilson. He is the best kick at the club has pace . Charleston is developing quickly
It won’t happen because our coach is stubborn and dumb in a football sense
O’ Farrell will be a good player
Makes sense to trade Weitering at the end of the of the year
The club needs a massive circuit breaker rather than recruiting c graders
Ison looks good
There is talent amongst the kids
I bother because I live in hope that someone like Graeme Wright who was strong in List Management can turn the place around
Look what Melbourne have done because of Brad Greens actions

Greta spot Busselton K.

Sure is

"Ainsworth Haywood Florent add nothing to our list"

You keep repeating this mantra without ever acknowledging the huge gap we had in our list age profile between the kids and the declining veterans. So rather than repeating the same list of moans over and over, how about substantiating some of them by telling us how we should have addressed that issue. Maybe your answer is just more and more draft picks. Fine, but accept that this will mean weekly 10 goal thrashings. I watched a fair chunk of Richmond and Essendon* this weekend. They are both uncompetitive sides and frankly there are only a few players between them who look like genuine future stars (Lalor and Grlj, maybe Caddy in moments but needs to find way more of it). Nah, bottoming out is not the way to go, especially with free agency becoming more and more popular as a way of curating a sporting career. It's been this way in the NBA for a while, it will be the way in AFL.

I was pretty detached from the game, just ,Ike I was last week. I enjoyed watching the vfl boys at the same time in my iPad.

I was pretty happy to see how we are moving the ball much faster and transitioning much better, the way we play has changed a lot the last few weeks and shows the team evolving. Hopefully it wasn’t just that Collingwood and Freo allowed us to play this way and we can continue to evolve over the season.

Cripps game must be one of the worst 31 disposal games a midfielder can have, he should be dropped and Hewett brought in next week. Those two shots at goal early in the last by Walsh and Cripps on the run just killed us. Our senior players have such atrocious skills.

Really liked Williams run from defence.

Dean and Byrne need a run in the vfl. Moir’s two goals flattered him.

Reidy battled hard but we were always going to struggle with the 4th best ruck in the league being out of the team.

Great game by Carroll.

I liked the look of a small, mobile fwd line with chaos balls coming in, we need to refine that, even with Harry back.

Wilson in my opinion should be in the team off HB
He is an excellent kick and has pace. You could see his development in 2025
So why trade a future third pick for Florent who can’t kick and was dropped by his former team last year who happens to play HB
How dumb is that
Ainsworth is a tease. Simple goes missing. He is 28. Unlikely to change. We were happy to let Durdin go who plays in the same position . Durdin couldn’t get his shoulder right but there were games where he was dynamic
How is he going at Port
Haywood was steak knives in the Curnow trade but Ison would be a better option as a goal kicker
And we sign these guys on 4 and 5 year deals . Weddle is a gun but
he only gets a 5 year deal because a lot can happen in that time frame
Just more dumb recruiting
Have you seen Wilson play
Shits on Florent

Florent is 7 th in the AFL for turnovers
And he doesn’t get near the amount of of ball than the 6 guys above
Enough said
It’s obvious to counter argue that this list is done
Voss is done and the longer he stays effects negatively on the young talent we got
Trade Weitering and Cripps
Might get 3 first rounders for them because the 2027 draft will be heavily compromised
Try and get 2 old stages who are good role models
I
Love what Parkeris doing at North
We need have a circuit breaker now
This list is taking us nowhere

Thanks for elaborating.

I think you tend to overrate whoever isn't in the team at any one time. Saying ISON would be a better goal kicking option than Hayward is wildly speculative. Hayward has a huge body of evidence for his goalkicking credentials, and if he's not kicking many at Carlton it's because he's being asked to play more of an end-to-end role; he sure isn't being given the chance to lead out from the goal square like he was at Swans. As for Ainsworth disappearing from games... this is true, but he does make some electric contributions. Those bursts from the centre and goals from 50 are something we lacked, and certainly not something Durdin ever gave us. Yes, Corey had some moments as a Carlton player, but whereas Ainsworth might go missing after one great quarter, Durdin had many games where he was a non contributor for four quarters, and then there's all the games he missed. The three new recruits are all elite when it comes to that most important ability: availability. Now as for ISON, I'm relying on the observation of others here, but they say that he has fantastic bits of games in the VFL but goes missing for long stretches; surely if you can't smash it for a full game in the Magoos then it's hard to argue he will do it in the big time. And yet you've already got him ahead of 189-game, 232-goal, prime age Will Hayward, in a team where other young talents Jagga, Dean and Byrne already look in need of a breather. Hmm, not sure about that.

I'm about to watch the replay.
I was hoping for a better birthday treat, but I will look for positives, and negatives. Before I do watch it again, here's a couple of thoughts I had during the game.

I was glad we showed a bit of fight, and when we got within 4 points after the Moir goal during the third, we missed so many oportunites, because of a lack of class, to put us in front in the next 10 minutes. A lot of heavy lifting and effort for little result. a lack of class.

I am shocked to read in this thread keogh wanting Williams dropped in favour of Wilson or Charleson, so I'll ignore that as controversial niggling. I love Charleson and Carroll. Two boys who have impressed me since last year's preseason, and haven't let me down.

I'm sure keogh can see we lack class on all lines, yet the very little we do have doesn't stand out to him. I posted during the third quarter of the game that amongst the slog, Williams is the only player who oozes class to me. Sure hands, moves quick. Aims to break lines and tackles. he's slippery. He sees 3-4 options before he bursts away. He makes time. He has it. I get keogh has always been against the Gov and Williams trades, and history will tell us all their bodies us and them down, year after year. But Williams looks fit, and his class should be commended rather than ignored to suit a long time assertion. He aint going to VFL. You can take that to the bank. Its a pity Williams turns 32yo this year.

Another who showed a bit of class was Gov, despite not getting ball a lot in the forwardline; 7 kicks for 3 goals. He seemed to be in control when ball was in his area. He didn't look get flustered, desperate or too pressured. Used his body well. Wish we looked for him a bit more. Where was all this class when he was on the big bucks?

Walsh is another class player who would stand out even moore if he had quality around him. I love his burst of speed this year. He got caught holding the ball, and that was just about the only time he didnt put the burst on to give himself a few metres of space. otherwise, he was great.

Cerra. Oh my. I can't stick up for him any more. Deer in headlights. Got caught a couple times, but so many times he didnt get caught his space was closed down for a hurried kick. He lacked poise because he didn't try hard enough to get out of trouble and find space. He has become ordinary imo. Sad.

I look at Freo and they havve strength and conenction on every line. Jackson IS a unicorn and he tore reidy a new one. Compare Weitering with Pearce as a FB and ass a leader. Treacy ran off Weitering too easily. WTF has happened to Weiters since the rib hit? And anyone want to hang shit on $300K pa Young is going for easy prey when the elephant in the room is the lazy Weiters. We get miles more bang for buck from Lewis Young, and Lewis Young's spoils save goals. What is weiters saving? Apart from his bank account, and his energy, he's not saving much at all.

We would be stuffed without 34yo Haynes and 33yo Newman. Dean needs to develop in the VFL, but we need him, and young should be replaced, but we need him too. Pharrrrrrque.

Cripps lacks class. He's 31yo this year. I am an unabashed Hewett fan. That's all I will say on that. I'm not sure what to do with cripps. Damned if we do and damned if we dont.

Our midfield group lacks speed and isnt aligned. Jagga is not ready and almost a liability in that group. Cerra is slow of mind. Cripps gets 23 handballs and is the worst handball in the comp.

I feel its time to shake up the midfield group. IMO, Williams, Walsh, Hewett are in form and should be playing. Cripps Cerra and Jagga for last few weeks have been meh.

Well done Kempy. He's looks better when he jumps at the ball. I like the way he's been circling back then thrusts himself to the ball whilst his opponent looks for touch. Imagine if kempy could kick drop punts. He'd be more dangerous. Anyway, 4 goals is a great return. Like Gov, only 7-8 kicks but kicked the goals. Well done Kempy.

Moir 2 goals from probably 5 disposals. have to be happy about that, but he needs to do more on the defensive side of the game, and find a bit of Karnt for the AFL. He might make it. has a bit of class but...needs to develop parts of his game.

Great to see Cottrell back. He looked good early on. has pace to burn. We need it.

Disappointed in our small forwards ....again. Can we please give Byrne a spell? Evans is not the player he was in last 6 rounds of 2025.

Reidy did Ok against a unicorn, a player who had leap and speed all over him. Goof effort, but feel Pitto's ruck craft would have quelled jackson's leaping. What a freak jackson is.

We might knock off Saints next week with Pitto and Harry to straighten us up, but its pretty obvious we are relying on too many old players to carry the load. We are in trouble if we don't develop the kids this year. That should happen in the 2nd half of 2026. No doubt Wilson Charleson, Ison have it. Chesser and Derksen look OK, and need to improve a bit more. But there's no big boys to replace the trier, Lewis Young, and the conditional Weitering, the 18yo kid, Dean, and old men Haynes and Newman. As for midfielders who are standing out in the VFL: Wilson looks like he's about primed to give it a shot. I am a huge fan of the honest Hewett.

Clapped the boys at the end of the game, but felt numb and a tad frustrated with the season, and the list. I just can't see how we turn this around this year, questioning if our best (yet to come) is good enough.

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Cripps is 31 this year and is nearing the end. 2027 should be his last year. I sense many Carlton fans are in denial, but his management knows. Great deals with Tourism WA, Colgate, AAMI and Nintendo. He is barely relevant now.

If he wanted out at years end, you might get a third rounder. Wasn't in my votes last night and I thought his game was really disappointing.

Just on keogh's rating of Florent / Wilson...
Wilson had by far his best game last night and showed what he can bring.
However, comparing his form in VFL with Florent's in AFL is a bit of a risk.
Florent actually probably had his best game for us last night. It's helpful to park thoughts of his contract and what club he came from. As a mid aged player has he improved us at all? I think yes, just.
Who is he keeping out? Saad and Wilson. Before last night, it's understandable they haven't preferred Wilson.
In a struggling AFL side, I'm not sure one is materially better than the other.
But Wilson needs to get a decent go soon.

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I like your common sense and balance GE.

Haywood, Ainsworth are improvements on what we gave up: Durdin Fantasia Docherty Binns Cincotta and White. Did you mention availability?

In the scheme of things, training standards, communication, experience, fitness,(you've touched on), increased salary cap, increased salary space, improvement in work ethic and who they replace, those 3 blokes are the least of our issues.

Its the midfield dynamics that are still lacking to get us going, attacking and linking. Compare moblie ruck Jackson with Reidy. Compare big bodied Young with Cripps. Compare link up mids Cerra with Bradshaw. Then there's Serong ...Its like we are comparing the new breed with an old breed.

Now look at our KPFs McKay vs Treacy, Young vs Amiss, Kemp vs Voss. We had to move Gov from back to forward to give us something.

Small forwards...Bolton vs Evans and Byrne. say no more. Ainsworth starts to look good. So does Hayward. Florent is a winger, but filled HBF for us. Florent was dropped to make way for Gulden last year....think about that. We got Florent to fill as a running HB. Wilson isn't better, but he is younger and an upcoming talent. We need Wilson to become a medfielder, as he was in the TAC where he made a name for himself. No doubt, Wilson has put his hand up for a HB/ mid role. Is Cowan better than Florent? Wilson? Newman?

I get keoghs points, but I think he's targeting players to make a different point, moreso about recruiting, rather than managing what we've got pragmatically. Looking in the rear view mirror is fine if you want to call a mistake, but I truly believe we improved on the smaller players we discarded but needed more players Traded in to improve us in the ruck, KPD and KPF, where we lost 3 good players.

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I think Hayward has brought quite a bit to us - but probably not as much as we expected or hoped.
More goals would be good, but as pointed out, he's playing a different role and running hard up the ground.

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Kemp's best game this season...not so much for the 4 goals but for his attack on the contest.

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I agree Doc
I was actually appalled by Crippas skills, especially by hand. The one limb he uses more than any other. Problematic to say the least.

Big bodied medfielder. Who needs one in WA?

Freo have Young.
WCE have Read.

Neither need 32yo extractor in 2027.

I think we could possibly get a 2nd rounder for Cripps (if WA team was being generous) but forget any idea of a first rounder from WA.

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You need a few circuits breakers
The clubs playing in quicksand since the back half of 2024
The game has changer Ex
Haywood and Florent simply make quicksand worse
Durdin is young worth persevering with
Ainsworth ain’t changing at 28
Melbourne bit the bullet last year
They got rid of coach who won his last game got rid of two cancers of the club
Yes they still have Gawn and Pickett but some players have improved enormously because they have been given licenseto take the game on
They will dip
Success ain’t linear but they will be better off for it

Is that a game plan issue?

Does Voss hold players back?
Has Voss suppressed player initiative and creativity?

I've read these questions and claims for a couple years now, and I don't know the answer.

Let the players play? Let them take the game on? Take more risks? We seem to look better when we do, even in 2024....then something just stopped. Our game plan seems dour.

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