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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2026 5:07 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2026 7:33 pm 
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The one thing I have in the common with everyone is I want this club to succeed on field
My definition of that is a 3 to 5 year old period where we of are in the top half dozen teams. Therefore you give yourself a chance.
This hasn’t happened for 25 years. Why?
I thought there was a problem way back in 2002. The concerning thing for me back then was the clubs reaction to the sanctions and fines
Playing the victim. It’s was like the only thing they did wrong was getting caught.
The board back then was around 13 or so people and now is 8 I think.
But my opinion is they are the same type of people.
They obviously are successful people but that doesn’t mean they are guaranteed to know what it takes for a football club to be successful.
One fact as an example
In 2013 Mick Malthouse wanted Andrew Carrazzo and Heath Scotland to be joint leaders
The board overruled this decision and Marc Murphy was made captain.
Make of that what you will.
My view is that was an incorrect decision and had a negative impact on on how the team performed
I like to think I know a bit about the workplace. As someone who knew wasn’t suited to being a leader ( a principal)every school that wasn’t well operated had a principal who simply was incompetent.
Incompetence can take many forms
But one common theme is a lack of accountability
And if you have had in the workplace it will filter down.

Ill will be interested in the outcomes of Carlton’s investigations and the AFL.
What I would like to feel is some legitimate accountability from the club
My opinion hasn’t changed. The board is the problem
I’ll give the club an out at the moment because they probably can’t talk about it until the investigation ends
I do hope there is some ownership


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2026 7:54 pm 
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I don't think there ever any doubt you love the Club and want it to succeed Trev .

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2026 8:45 pm 
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keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:

Voss has had 5 years at blues and 10 as a senior coach and nearly 20 years in coaching system. Seems obvious to me he isn't up to it

I don't see point of hanging on to him when it's obvious he won't be there next year and we are a bottom 4 side. We have played 2 top 8 sides in the first 6 games and have won 1. in the last 2 years we have beaten 1 top 8 side. Next month will really tell us a lot

I agree our list and leadership is lacking and needs to be addressed as well. this is more than one issue and i reckon GW has already made decisions anyway


I had to go back to see where all the fuss started.

I read you first line, and I have to agree.
Nothing revolutionary.
The Curnow camp was player instigated.
The playing group dont work well together.
There's no desire to push team mates to get us over the line.
There's too much of a heavy load left to too few.
That's on Voss. He's had 5 years, I mean 10 years at the helm.
His time is up.

Only reason to leave Voss in the role is to see what he can do with the group.
He may have to change things up. It will be a good insight.
If no change for the better, and season is done, I would bring in an interim coach for last 6 weeks to see what they can get out of the group.
That's two possible insights of this list from today..

Voss isnt going to be coach next year, even if we win 11 more games of the remaining 18 and make 10th. We will be making up numbers; that's all.

I have a hunch GW has a short list of coaches in mind. He started the process last year.
If Vossy is sacked 6 weeks before season's end, the search becomes public information, and other hands will rise for the interview.

As for leadership...there's something not right there.
Is it Cripps failure to move hearts and minds and inspire players to walk through walls now that the game has caught up with him?
Is it Weitering? Mr Grumpy. Can't see his inspiration other than being a solid citizen at FB, having lost pace and the ability/ desire to intercept.

Whatever is wrong, we are not that far off turning this around by adding layers and discarding failures. A new coach is either looking at that now, or, will be seeing it more clearly as the short list has his name on it.

I think GW knows, and he knew what he was doing moving on the voice players got tired hearing: Naifan Buckley.

FB, us old timers can see something aint right, because we know what Carlton looked like when it was right. True we live in a different era, but there's enough evidence to know something aint right and needs to be fixed. When that is....we will see.


The other thing to me is I think we have core group of excellent talent
Byrne Ison Wilson Smith Dean O Farrell Flynn Young
How do you think their developing is going to effected by this shit show


I think for the younger generation like these boys the club will have garnered massive credibility by supporting and standing by a young man with self confessed mental health issues.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2026 9:36 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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Voss has had 5 years at blues and 10 as a senior coach and nearly 20 years in coaching system. Seems obvious to me he isn't up to it

I don't see point of hanging on to him when it's obvious he won't be there next year and we are a bottom 4 side. We have played 2 top 8 sides in the first 6 games and have won 1. in the last 2 years we have beaten 1 top 8 side. Next month will really tell us a lot

I agree our list and leadership is lacking and needs to be addressed as well. this is more than one issue and i reckon GW has already made decisions anyway


I had to go back to see where all the fuss started.

I read you first line, and I have to agree.
Nothing revolutionary.
The Curnow camp was player instigated.
The playing group dont work well together.
There's no desire to push team mates to get us over the line.
There's too much of a heavy load left to too few.
That's on Voss. He's had 5 years, I mean 10 years at the helm.
His time is up.

Only reason to leave Voss in the role is to see what he can do with the group.
He may have to change things up. It will be a good insight.
If no change for the better, and season is done, I would bring in an interim coach for last 6 weeks to see what they can get out of the group.
That's two possible insights of this list from today..

Voss isnt going to be coach next year, even if we win 11 more games of the remaining 18 and make 10th. We will be making up numbers; that's all.

I have a hunch GW has a short list of coaches in mind. He started the process last year.
If Vossy is sacked 6 weeks before season's end, the search becomes public information, and other hands will rise for the interview.

As for leadership...there's something not right there.
Is it Cripps failure to move hearts and minds and inspire players to walk through walls now that the game has caught up with him?
Is it Weitering? Mr Grumpy. Can't see his inspiration other than being a solid citizen at FB, having lost pace and the ability/ desire to intercept.

Whatever is wrong, we are not that far off turning this around by adding layers and discarding failures. A new coach is either looking at that now, or, will be seeing it more clearly as the short list has his name on it.

I think GW knows, and he knew what he was doing moving on the voice players got tired hearing: Naifan Buckley.

FB, us old timers can see something aint right, because we know what Carlton looked like when it was right. True we live in a different era, but there's enough evidence to know something aint right and needs to be fixed. When that is....we will see.


The other thing to me is I think we have core group of excellent talent
Byrne Ison Wilson Smith Dean O Farrell Flynn Young
How do you think their developing is going to effected by this shit show


We don't think about that. Development is up to the Development and Line Coaches. let them do their thing.

The kids will be fine.

I know you think its all off field stuff holding them back, others think its the coach. I think they are too young to be "developed" , and still growing and learning, and like all good footballers they can adapt and change for the better. A different coach can change things up and bring the best out of them. That's the next step after their apprenticeship.

We do need to ensure we are aligned off field with the on field. A lot of off field stuff looks new and shiny but there seems to be something to aligned imo...something I can't put a finger on. Maybe its our leaders. Maybe they aren't connected with the younger ones. I don't know. Maybe we are killing time as we put Vossy's tenure to an end because we dont want to sack a coach. Maybe its too early in the season to believe it can't be turned around. We aren't aligned. They dont seem to be. Now we have the Elijah issue hovering the headlines like Hawks experienced with the indigenous players' grievances. We obviously need to get our list sorted this year. We have 16 players coming out of contract. We have wriggle room with our cap and our Draft picks.

I'm not convinced with all your theories keogh. You make some good points. I'm sure there's some misaligned somewhere, but not everywhere like you allude to. You make more sense after a loss. Funny about that. However, you seem bombastic at times. When I read you blame our issues starting with a President who lives in Sydney, I just can't see how and why you would say that. GW is from outside the Carlton bubble. He runs the show, and he aint going to be pushed a round by any swinging dick. I hope he fixes things. What else is there to do other that barrack for my team this saturday?

When I read this I remembered something that was posted on here last year and that was Leigh Adams had aspirations of being a head coach.
It is too much of a foil hat moment to think that considering our midfield has issues, that Adams could be white anting Voss to have a run at it, even if it is in an interim role. Or has Fraser been brought in with the promise he gets a crack at an interim role and maybe it is GW who is white anting the club.
Phew........that was some crazy shit I had to get out of my head. :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2026 10:53 pm 
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Key Carlton figures meet as pressure on Voss intensifies:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1502950/car ... chael-voss


They keep blooding meeting and nothing occurs. From bad to Worse!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2026 11:07 pm 
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Dodo27 wrote:
Key Carlton figures meet as pressure on Voss intensifies:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1502950/car ... chael-voss


They keep blooding meeting and nothing occurs. From bad to Worse!


So you think it’s preferable that the leaders of the club don’t speak to each other?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2026 12:11 am 
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:lol: it's always something, and it's always wrong!


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2026 7:52 am 
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Something must be afoot if we're holding scheduled meetings.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2026 8:52 am 
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Sake Voss... get AI...?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:02 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Something must be afoot if we're holding scheduled meetings.


Exactly. The media are taking the p1$$ now … surely they can report some really stories down Geelong way when it comes to Bruin (last year) or Stengel (this year) or Smith (whatever year)!!! :mad:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:32 am 
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Dodo27 wrote:
Key Carlton figures meet as pressure on Voss intensifies:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1502950/car ... chael-voss


They keep blooding meeting and nothing occurs. From bad to Worse!


Quote:
The scheduled meeting was part of a commitment between the three central figures to meet regularly during the season


Storm in a teacup.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:51 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
Key Carlton figures meet as pressure on Voss intensifies:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1502950/car ... chael-voss


They keep blooding meeting and nothing occurs. From bad to Worse!


Quote:
The scheduled meeting was part of a commitment between the three central figures to meet regularly during the season


Storm in a teacup.


Yes but it is a big, I mean huge cup! :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2026 11:22 am 
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How dare they hold regular scheduled meetings.
Imagine the outcry if they have to reschedule a meeting because someone's got a cold!


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2026 12:00 pm 
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People can say what they like about Voss. However, he was outstanding today in the press conference....if only our CEO had sounded like that on the weekend...alas.


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https://www.afl.com.au/news/1503001/car ... -continues

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2026 12:36 pm 
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He spoke so well and so thoughtfully. You can question his coaching but not his integrity. He is a special person and a great leader. Loved that he defended his people and clearly he has a close connection with his players.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2026 12:57 pm 
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FJANY wrote:
He spoke so well and so thoughtfully. You can question his coaching but not his integrity. He is a special person and a great leader. Loved that he defended his people and clearly he has a close connection with his players.



Voss is an excellent human. well read, super intelligent, articulate and intuitive.


... he's just chosen the most cut throat job in the most cut throat of industries possible. a job where everything is reduced into two statistics - Wins and Losses - and a measure of your worth is reflective of those two statistics and what they read.


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He stuck it to Jay Clark at 14:00 :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2026 1:33 pm 
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FJANY wrote:
He spoke so well and so thoughtfully. You can question his coaching but not his integrity. He is a special person and a great leader. Loved that he defended his people and clearly he has a close connection with his players.


Spot on FJA. I think what is forgotten in all this is Elijah isn't a unicorn. I had a look this morning and around 18% of Australians were dispensed with mental health related medication in 2025. Approximately 45% will have a mental health episode in their lives.
In a high pressure environment like the AFL, it's quite possibly higher. In all likelihood, statistically there could be hundreds of players running out in the AFL/VFL this week under the care and supervision of club doctors/psychologists.

As Vossy said, all decisions would be made with care. It would be far easier to dispense with players who have issues but clubs take on that responsibility. No one is saying we got it right with Elijah this time but the intentions would have been coming from the right place. Let's see what comes from the investigation. Quite possibly we got this one wrong but may have handled the previous 50 instances satisfactorily. Time will tell.

Hopefully the AFL treat it as an educational opportunity rather than a punitive one, is a piss poor attempt to save their own arses.

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