Didn't I say to stay out of the Trump thread?

My daughter is studying to work in mental health, does that make me an expert and mean I can tell you all to @#$%&! off too? Just asking....

Is that a fact
How do you know
Your not involved with the club

Yeah , could be . It sounds very posh way to pronounce your words . Anyhow , good for GX if he could pony up the cash to live in any of those area's .

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In other breaking news round 7 is scheduled to follow after round 6.

Nah, he would have said "his driver porks his cors" if he lived in Toorak

Good point . Got me .

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I had to go back to see where all the fuss started.

I read you first line, and I have to agree.
Nothing revolutionary.
The Curnow camp was player instigated.
The playing group dont work well together.
There's no desire to push team mates to get us over the line.
There's too much of a heavy load left to too few.
That's on Voss. He's had 5 years, I mean 10 years at the helm.
His time is up.

Only reason to leave Voss in the role is to see what he can do with the group.
He may have to change things up. It will be a good insight.
If no change for the better, and season is done, I would bring in an interim coach for last 6 weeks to see what they can get out of the group.
That's two possible insights of this list from today..

Voss isnt going to be coach next year, even if we win 11 more games of the remaining 18 and make 10th. We will be making up numbers; that's all.

I have a hunch GW has a short list of coaches in mind. He started the process last year.
If Vossy is sacked 6 weeks before season's end, the search becomes public information, and other hands will rise for the interview.

As for leadership...there's something not right there.
Is it Cripps failure to move hearts and minds and inspire players to walk through walls now that the game has caught up with him?
Is it Weitering? Mr Grumpy. Can't see his inspiration other than being a solid citizen at FB, having lost pace and the ability/ desire to intercept.

Whatever is wrong, we are not that far off turning this around by adding layers and discarding failures. A new coach is either looking at that now, or, will be seeing it more clearly as the short list has his name on it.

I think GW knows, and he knew what he was doing moving on the voice players got tired hearing: Naifan Buckley.

FB, us old timers can see something aint right, because we know what Carlton looked like when it was right. True we live in a different era, but there's enough evidence to know something aint right and needs to be fixed. When that is....we will see.

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He sounded Seouth Efricaan to me

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Carlin also said if your born in America you get a front row seat
The board don’t live in the good old USA but Priestley does live in Sydney

Just on leadership I met someone at a gig I was playing at and he said Cripps wanted to go back home obviously to play Freo and Freo said no
Now that’s just a rumour

The other thing to me is I think we have core group of excellent talent
Byrne Ison Wilson Smith Dean O Farrell Flynn Young
How do you think their developing is going to effected by this shit show

something definitely isn't right. side looks dysfunctional and unhappy. leaders look unhappy. coach looks and sounds like he has no idea and we just don't play good football. a good happy side wouldn't have lost the games we have this year

On the flip side if we are as shit as everyone keeps saying we wouldn't have come close .

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Geez this joint really blew up last night.
Play fair keogh. Stop the name calling. Show some maturity. Please.
We are a family here. But we are not a dysfunctional family. Hang on....

All BV is saying is wait for the investigation to conclude and all the facts are laid bare.
Has nothing to do with ignorance. Guesswork isn't helpful.

You believe what you want to believe. Its an opinion, not dogma. You know that.

There's a long way to go with this investigation, because there are a lot of possibilities, most probably wrong, and the fact is, no one knows who is at fault, or, if any one is in fact anyone is at fault.

Lets say, if Elijah refused to take his meds and chose to self medicate, or not medicate at all, against medical advice, then the club can't do anything about that. There's many situations we can raise that do not connect the club of any negligence. Lets find out.

Let the investigation run its course. I heard this yesterday: If the hysteria from media and supporters didn't happen, Elijah would have played out a bad game statistic wise, he would have had time to think about it, talk to his carers, completed his post game analysis with his line coach, may or may not be in line for selection, and life goes on as if nothing happened. He didn't lose the plot. he just wasn't able to process information quick enough and showed some frustration with his performance. Normal. People make out like he was a looney on the field, when he wasn't. That is cruel.

Problem now is all this hysteria, created by the media and supporters, have made Elijah feel like a loser on 24 hour watch, and he feels so much shame he doesn't want to show his face in public again. Otherwise, he would be OK today. Its not a new problem.

Let this play out, and focus on Voss without Elijah, at least till he is found guilty or negligence, or innocent. In the meantime, Voss, the club, his dad (who was with him the night before and in the morning before the game), the medics are all innocent until proven otherwise. Please read and reread his father's, Ollie's and youngest brothers posts. You will find they do not blame the club for anything that transpired. Fortunately for the media and some supporters the family didn't point the finger at them.

Its that simple. No one is being ignorant, just be respectful of Elijah and due diligence.

Back to Vossy.....I'm going back to farmer Blue's last post....he's onto something.

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It’s like nobody has ever heard of Tony Greig.

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boy that is sure one hell of a horse...

imagine not knowing a damn thing and still being sure...

I wonder what the outcome will be just like everyone else.

I was just as uneasy as many others (my wife a psychologist and a collingwood supporter even more so - though she wondered more what the @#$%&! the afl were doing as the people not involved the way Carlton people were...there's a psychological term for it but can't be [REDACTED] trying to remember it)

and I'll reserve judgement until everything comes out - as it will - and even then the wiser part of my mind will acknowledge that mistakes can be made with the very best of intentions and so I'll try not to judge, for, as Conrad (I think it was) said "its judgement that destroys us."

As for Voss, happy to let him see out the year

As for Priestly, know nothing about him although I doubt living in Sydney has anything to do with anything if he is the right man, if he isn't, living in Melbourne wouldn't help.

But by all means continue with the gallant ride astride that high horse while reading tea leaves from afar.

Oh and just for the record, I am not American...and have never voted in American elections, so that line of dirt throwing is so high horsey I can hear the giddey up in your brain.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

we have only beaten richmond and by 4 points. we have won something like 13 games from last 39? beaten one side in top 8 during that period and are getting further away from finals and this is with an older list. i think that is shit

old people like me may remember when you didn't win that meant you lost and that wasn't good enough

Sorry mate , I thought we were talking about this season . Just sayin', if there was no effort it wouldn't get that close . Reckon the boys are having a red hot crack this year myself .

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We don't think about that. Development is up to the Development and Line Coaches. let them do their thing.

The kids will be fine.

I know you think its all off field stuff holding them back, others think its the coach. I think they are too young to be "developed" , and still growing and learning, and like all good footballers they can adapt and change for the better. A different coach can change things up and bring the best out of them. That's the next step after their apprenticeship.

We do need to ensure we are aligned off field with the on field. A lot of off field stuff looks new and shiny but there seems to be something to aligned imo...something I can't put a finger on. Maybe its our leaders. Maybe they aren't connected with the younger ones. I don't know. Maybe we are killing time as we put Vossy's tenure to an end because we dont want to sack a coach. Maybe its too early in the season to believe it can't be turned around. We aren't aligned. They dont seem to be. Now we have the Elijah issue hovering the headlines like Hawks experienced with the indigenous players' grievances. We obviously need to get our list sorted this year. We have 16 players coming out of contract. We have wriggle room with our cap and our Draft picks.

I'm not convinced with all your theories keogh. You make some good points. I'm sure there's some misaligned somewhere, but not everywhere like you allude to. You make more sense after a loss. Funny about that. However, you seem bombastic at times. When I read you blame our issues starting with a President who lives in Sydney, I just can't see how and why you would say that. GW is from outside the Carlton bubble. He runs the show, and he aint going to be pushed a round by any swinging dick. I hope he fixes things. What else is there to do other that barrack for my team this saturday?

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