I think Riedy was serving a 1 match ban

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Gov put us within 7 points at the 24.5 minute mark of Q4 with his (Ray Warren voice) CRUNCHING TACKLE and goal, so I think it's a stretch to say we came back without him

I get what you're saying.

It is a stretch to make out the big boys were missing for the quarter, and I didnt mean too imply that. In addition to Sidey's eg's of scores we gave away, I was merely being supportive of the spirit the team continued to show when harry went off followed by Gov. We had the last 2 shots for goal which could have drawn it in the 9 minutes Gov was off the ground. 35 minute quarter. It counts. That's all.

In other words, we had a lot going against us in this game, but we showed a bit of fight to win, but fell short. Call it garnishing with a few positives. The sky didn't fall.

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Yeah, I agree. Team spirit was there, even with Elijah's problems, H dazed and confused, Gov off with cramps, and let's not forget Kemp was also cramped up but stayed out there. Definitely not a team that's quit on the coach. Who knows, we could even be this year's team that storms home after a poor early W/L record. Get over this meltdown mental block and wildcard 10th here we come!!

Music to my ears . That's the way GX . Get around 'em .

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The why would the Carlton website report that he and Derksen were both “late outs” from the vfl team? A suspension is not a late omission, and I don’t think Derksen was suspended was he?

Maybe they only just realised he was suspended.

I’ll believe anything at this point…

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That too.
There is no doubt they are trying that is for sure.
As since preseason, they need to tidy their disposals and kicks on goals and we would've put a few games away by now.
The confidence is lost, but you can see them putting things together more and more each game, which is encouraging.
I know we are not a premiership side, the list is weak in depth and we have holes on the ground, especially for the game style we are trying to play.
So I am happy to see the growth and us finally making some good changes in the middle with what we have.
I mean, shit, we scored from transitions last week.

I'm not sure on the match up's this week but I hope Reidy gets a shot, so too Flynn Young and Saad comes back to add some more run.

I'd like to see Wilson get another go, pace and good skills.

Newman Weitering Haynes
Florent Dean Cowan
OHollands Cripps Carroll
Ainsworth Kemp Hayward
Evans McGovern Young
Reid Cerra Walsh
Smith (mid) Williams (mid), Byrne (sfwd), Boyd (sbac), Derksen (tutil)

I felt we lacked another defender last week and would like that fixed this week.
Derksen should come to play at either end as needed. Fremantle could go extra tall foward with Cox, Voss, Treacle, and Amiss - so we need coverage.
The way we play going into F50, we need a tall to support McGovern and Kemp, else it will be suicide.
Just can't see us changing our game style now.

VFL had bye last week

Check out this article! http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1989708

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You'd think Ollie Hollands won't play now either. Football would be secondary to him right now, we can't put him out there after the shitshow of the past week.

But knowing Vossy and our incompetent footy department they will probably force him to "toughen up" and play

He also needs a rest form wise in any case. Maybe the week off spending time with family would do some good.

I think Ollie is capable of operating normally regardless of what's going on with Elijah. He's had a lifetime of experience, after all. Brothers can be a bit like that, as I've witnessed as a father of two boys.

From the article...



When I read this at the time the article was originally posted it inferred he would miss one round of AFL in lieu of VFL given the bye. Otherwise his VFL suspension effectively becomes a two week AFL suspension. Or maybe the AFL are so stupid that they did make him miss two AFL games just because....

Still doesn't explain why he and Derksen were a "late out" for the VFL after being named in the VFL team the day before.

After 25 years of misery (sprinkled with 4 euphoric, uplifting Finals wins amongst that), I can see why some people look at the doom and gloom, and glass half empty and lose a bit of desire and interest for the game. But the show must go on. Carlton will keep on flying the flag and continue to aim for improvement, and success.

Players are trying. If only players concentrated more on their skills we would have a couple more W's. I also have seen improvement. Its because I look for it. Its not all doom and gloom. I love footy and I love the challenge to bounce back. Especially so since Collins was about to hand the keys to the AFL back in 2003. WE are still a huge club, and with that the spotlight shines harder on us.

I feel we will turn this terrible run of losses around, and will surprise.

My biggest disappointment was we had a lowest number of outs this week since our win against Geelong, (5, including Derksen and Reidy) and we lost. WE should have won and we should be filthy that we lost.

I truly believe we will surprise.

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Very similar to my preference SB.
You have kept Byrne in the team, and kept Lord out, and you've gone for Reid instead of Reidy
Nothing wrong with that.

I think Lewis Young can keep Pearce honest and accounted for. I like what Young can bring to the forwardline, let alone chop out for Reidy.
He frees up Gov and Kemp.

I think our game style has changed, and the last 2 weeks in particular we ran harder or worked the corridor more than previous weeks. Hell, we got our turnover game going proving the game style has changed. I think we shot ourselves in the foot with own goals last game: missing set shots (to win or at least draw game), Elijah, injured Harry and Gov in the end, Pitto playing with broken hand, players crashing into each other (desire more than clumsy)...we are not that bad.

I think Darcy will return this week and bump out Cox. IMO Cox is a more difficult player to counter, despite him not having touch. Still 2 rucks. Jackson is the one who will play Ruck (chop out), ruck rover, and KPF.

Dean vs Jackson
Weitering vs Amiss
Haynes vs Treacle
Newman vs Voss

I hope we defensive forward on Jordan Clark. I think Kemp has played that role successfully, despite few disposals himself, and we won. A couple sneaky goals to kemp and a quiet Clark will do us just fine. Kemp has, and can sneak a couple from ground ball gets.

Allows Derksen to be another marking forward. allowing us minimum mobile 3 marking forwards at any given time.

I think we will match up well with them. Just have to quell

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You know Michael Voss? You know what's best for Ollie too?

Carlton doesn't force anyone to do anything. The Football Dept made it clear last year we only want players who want to play for Carlton.
I think you are saying Ollie doesn't want to? We will see.

I have no doubt, like the rest of the football and non football world, everyone's heart goes out to Elijah, including Ollie's. But come game day, I'm sure our players will be looking for a win. Their focus today would be on selection, preparing for a long trip west with the boys, and playing their role. They would have an idea of their upcoming opponent and how to beat them.

Ollie played a year whilst his brother 'broke down' and could no longer play, and he handled that like a professional, for the whole year, since preseason to round 24. Only difference is this time Elijah's mental illness has played out in front of the cameras. Ollie will make his own mind up. Personally, I doubt he will want to miss helping his mates to win, just as Elijah when he asked Voss to keep him on the field to "battle through" and help his mates win.

The coach and team have my complete support and backing, until I know for sure they are no longer trying their best to win.

I expect them to toughen up, play tough, and play to win. That's their job? Football. More fun than sitting at home.

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Maybe by this stage the club knew about Pitto's hand & wanted to keep Reidy safe for the Freo match.

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Better off coming 2nd last (I think the Tigers will get the spoon) and pick up Cody without paying a premium.
Hopefully the Swans stumble and we can get someone decent with their first rounder.
In 2026 with a new coach and some smart trading we should aim to emulate what the Demons have done so far this year.

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That's the only thing I can think of. Seems plausible, other than both carrying a niggle.

Regardless, I have listed 5 out for round 6 (including Derksen and reidy)

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