I'd just like the Campo boys to be given a chance. I'm not sure who our A grade mid is. I don't think we have one of those.

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They need to earn their chance.

Agree

Plus neither brings speed to the team. Something we are short on.

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Lucas runs and carry’s ball on the outside and Ben isn’t slow but it seems unless your Chris Judd, you can’t play AFL.

People getting excited about the Camporeales or someone like Wilson....it's clear the recruiting team past and present have not been good enough.

Yes Lions and Swans get the world with their academies and have paid SFA for their father sons but look at how many picks they nail from the ~15 range onwards.

Justin McInerney pick 44 - he is in great form - the perfect player for the current rules; can play inside mid, wing, half back, half forward.
Chad Warner pick 39

Kai Lohmann pick 20
Logan Morris pick 31
Darcy Wilmot pick 16
Zac Bailey pick 15

Look at the Dogs with Freijah at pick 45 (similar style to J McInerney).

Players who can play various roles and generally cover the ground well.

We're going nowhere!

We'll get Walker - does anyone have any faith that beyond Walker the Carlton recruiters will draft enough quality?

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The Swans did well with Warner and McInerney but have squandered many first round picks over a long period of time - too many to mention.
Lucky for them the likes of Heeney, Gulden, Blakey and Mills have fallen into their lap.
They would already be regretting the Curnow trade.

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So who did they pick with the early picks ? I mean we go on about the Ollie V weddle selection and conveniently ignore the fact that the Hawks took McKenzie before Weddle ................ but I agree Effes if we could nail these picks we would be in a better state . I just wonder now that Agresta is gone who we have in mind to take on recruiting . Its vital I agree Effes .

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Isn’t the new bloke already in the building?

There was a reshuffle last year, around the time GW took the wheel.

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It's not like we never pick up bargains of our own, at least in the last few years.

Matt Carroll rookie draft #15
Cooper Lord mid season rookie draft #9
Matt Cottrell pre season supplemental
Harry O'Farrell #40
Talor Byrne #45

Early days for some and none at the Warner/McInerney level, but I'd consider these all very good recruiting choices. Where we have suffered is the number of first round duds in the 2016-21 period that have left a gaping hole where the prime-age engine should be, and also a preference for contested footy and endurance that didn't fit the AFL's lever-pulling agenda. But I think the above selections show that we are moving with the times and nabbing some bargains.

Watching the Hawks dismantle the Doggies, you can really appreciate how they value tactics/zones and their roles in the overall game plan... especially when they don't have the ball.
The Doggies take a mark in d50 and the Hawks are already in positions before the kicker turns on his mark. Players are always moving, positioning themselves for the (forced) contested ball and rebound.
Good positioning means they can apply pressure on the opposition... they even made the revered Kennedy revert back to a Carlton player a few times.

When they have the ball they like to go wide with the intention of going back though the corridor, like most teams try to do.
They have some quick players but they're not the fasted team. Difference is that their players are always on the move... not stagnant and confused and resigned to a long bomb contest.

Now we're trying something, at least I think we are... but I can't see anything related to a proper rebound game plan.
Contests is all we have, which we're pretty good at, but is taxing and unsustainable without proper defensive structures. That first qtr against the Crows we destroyed them in the clearances... for a net result of a 7 point lead.

Our list may be as a bad as some say... but how can we judge them properly when the guys in the box are worse?

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Good post.
As you mentioned it was the first round failures of 2016-21 which hurt us and we really needed at least a couple of SPS, Dow, O'Brien, Setterfield, Stocker and Kemp to become good players.

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Jobe Shanahan pick 30 . What a steal . The kid will be a star . Reckon the recruiters have got the toughest gig in footy . But going back to Effes point , if you get it mostly right it gives a big advantage .

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Great post. Also, need to understand development and its role.

Not having the extra pick was where we went wrong.

If we take the bag when it was offered for De Koning, who knows where we sit right now.

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I must admit I don't remember any specific trade offers for TDK. Was that from Geelong? What was the offer?

My take on the importance of List Management and player development ( again)
I hope that Graeme Wright might see the error in Carlton’s ways and things may change a bit
Sadly they haven’t as much as I personally would like

The Florent trade
Florent was dropped last year principally because of his disposal. This year after 5 rounds he lyes second for turnovers 34 from 92 disposals to be exact. That is deplorable. Bailey Smith leads all comers with 36 but he has had 161 disposals. He cost us only a future third pick but that’s is not the point. He should not be our list. He plays off half back. All players have to be good kicks. The days of banging it long into the forward line for your power forwards to mark it are gone. It doesn’t happen that often so pinpoint kicking and handball and run out of d 50 is so important .
Case in point the most kicked by a single player over the course of the first 9 game round was 4 goals.
The half back position is even more important when it comes to disposal. Having Florent there is simply a liability. We have scored 2 goals from our d 50 exists-in 5 matches
So why were Sydney happy to part ways with Florent. Well look at who plays at HBF
Matt Roberts was a pick 34 in 2021 and is a beautiful kick. He was given time to develop his footy before becoming a regular senior player. The other left footer is Riley Bice a mature age player from Werribee
He was playing for Albury in the Oand M. He was in and out of the side in 2025 but has obviously got used to the AFL system. Another gun kick.

I reckon we have a player in Billy Wilson who exhibits those traits but sadly seems out of favour I know he has been injured but IMO should be played over Florent because he has the potential and Florent ain’t going to do itwith his kicking. Yet we sign him till 2030. Wilson is only contracted this year. Makes no sense to me


The second thing relates to Bice recruiting. Why is it that List Managers don’t resource lower leagues for talent. Ollie Dempsey was a rookie selection from the ammos. He was recruited because of athleticism and was given time to develop with Nigel Lappin on his disposal
Carlton don’t seem to do this. Tom Stewart is another example
So is Shannon Neale who was pick 33. He had a great tank and beautiful kicking skills but needed to bulk up and learn forward craft.

The third thing relates to sentiment.
I’m getting the feeling we may have wasted 2 pics on the Campos. Lucas in particular. Ben is ok but do we need another inside mid.

Cody Walker . I feel sorry for the kid already. And there might be someone better. Who knows. I don’t want to hear about Koutas kid either
We have potentially a good one in Harry Dean but play him in the twos this year. Given his position he needs time to develop his body and craft
And on Jagga Smith. Same deal. The messiah approach as usual working beautifully at Royal Parade

You can't have watched the Freo game if you think bombing it to tall forwards isn't part of the game any more. The key is to be able to halve contests and create F50 pressure. Fortunately we seemed to get that against Adelaide and also scored way more efficiently than Freo once we had it in there; our problem was we can't defend.

I agree on the Campos, and voiced my concern prior to the draft that we'd ended up with an obligation to the wrong kinds of player. That's the other side to f/s that the moaners won't acknowledge.

Genuine question and I know the kids were drafted quite late, and as I haven't had time to review, who was available after the Campo's were taken?

Not available but who was taken….

43 CAR Ben Campo
44 GEEL Jay Polkinghorne
45 STK Hugh Boxshall
46 WCE Tom Gross
47 COLL Joel Cochran
48 WCE Lucca Grego
49 GC Cooper Bell
50 COLL Charlie West
51 WB Sam Davidson
52 GEEL Jacob Molier
53 STK Alex Dodson
54 CAR Lucas Camp
55 SYD Riak Andrew
56 COLL William Hayes
57 NMFC  Luke Urquhart
58 RICH  Jasper Alger
59 ADEL  Tyler Welsh
60 STK  Patrick Said
61 ESS  Rhys Unwin
62 WB  Luke Kennedy
63 FRE  Jaren Carr
64 HAW  Cody Anderson
65 WCE  Hamish Davis
66 GEEL  Lennox Hofmann
67 NMFC River Stevens
68 MELB Aidan Johnson
69 GEEL Keighton Matofai - Forbes
70 ESS Zak Johnson
71 GWS Logan Smith

Practically an all star lineup

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