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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 12:25 pm 
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Thought Jagga had a great second half.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 3:29 pm 
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It was a better result than I was expecting.
We at least played out the game. That was some of the worst umpiring I have seen for a while.
The game has gone to shit in recent years. These morons in charge will change our once great game to something we do not recognize anymore.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 3:37 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
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Turnover
Crows 13.5.83
Blues 7.9.51

Defensive half
Crows 6.4.40
Blues 1.1.7


I reckon these are the key for us. We all know Voss is a good leader, but not a great tactician. We won't be ready to seriously compete again, until we can match opposition sides in these 2 areas.


The backline Thursday included a key defender who couldn't get a game with an undersized Bulldogs defence and a bloke who was delisted by GWS without playing a game. The other defenders were a Bulldogs VFL player, a GWS player who was a VFL player in his final year and a Sydney player who couldn't get a game in their ones.
And we're surprised we can't score out of our back half?

HOF and Dean will be very good players but they're a couple of years away. I wouldn't be blaming tactics. You can't pull up your socks when you don't have any.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 3:40 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
Effes wrote:
Score sources

Turnover
Crows 13.5.83
Blues 7.9.51

Defensive half
Crows 6.4.40
Blues 1.1.7


I reckon these are the key for us. We all know Voss is a good leader, but not a great tactician. We won't be ready to seriously compete again, until we can match opposition sides in these 2 areas.


The backline Thursday included a key defender who couldn't get a game with an undersized Bulldogs defence and a bloke who was delisted by GWS without playing a game. The other defenders were a Bulldogs VFL player, a GWS player who was a VFL player in his final year and a Sydney player who couldn't get a game in their ones.
And we're surprised we can't score out of our back half?

HOF and Dean will be very good players but they're a couple of years away. I wouldn't be blaming tactics. You can't pull up your socks when you don't have any.


A bit harsh on Newman


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 3:57 pm 
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Think he means Florent, though to be fair he played 180 games for the Swans and just wasn't fancied by the bloke who took over from the one who took them to however many grand finals


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 4:05 pm 
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Think he means Florent, though to be fair he played 180 games for the Swans and just wasn't fancied by the bloke who took over from the one who took them to however many grand finals


Oh yeah l forgot about that list clogger. My bad!

And we signed him up for 5 years

I feel the Charlie deal wasn’t as great as what it seems


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 4:32 pm 
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I'm gonna stand up for Flo, he's a solid and reliable player and iirc has been in our best 10 every week. Let's not forget that our age profile was completely [REDACTED], we had loads of kids but almost no one of note in the prime 24-28yo age bracket, so adding 3 such blokes - and ones with excellent injury histories and over 530 AFL games experience in top programs - was good business.

Ainsworth has provided some real touches of class and goals that no one from our 2025 list was capable of. Only Hayward has been a disappointment, but he has proven he's capable of much more.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 4:35 pm 
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florent gets the ball and doesn't stand out as butchering it.

he's blue collar, much like cowan. the least of our worries, ttbh


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 5:03 pm 
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I'm gonna stand up for Flo, he's a solid and reliable player and iirc has been in our best 10 every week. Let's not forget that our age profile was completely [REDACTED], we had loads of kids but almost no one of note in the prime 24-28yo age bracket, so adding 3 such blokes - and ones with excellent injury histories and over 530 AFL games experience in top programs - was good business.

Ainsworth has provided some real touches of class and goals that no one from our 2025 list was capable of. Only Hayward has been a disappointment, but he has proven he's capable of much more.


Great post GX . Good on you for standing up for Flo coz he's been great . Summed it up beautifully . If you want " A graders " they cost a fortune and what's more they don't wanna come to us .

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 8:44 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:

I feel the Charlie deal wasn’t as great as what it seems


Still feel that way after his gather round performance? :D


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 9:31 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
I'm gonna stand up for Flo, he's a solid and reliable player and iirc has been in our best 10 every week. Let's not forget that our age profile was completely [REDACTED], we had loads of kids but almost no one of note in the prime 24-28yo age bracket, so adding 3 such blokes - and ones with excellent injury histories and over 530 AFL games experience in top programs - was good business.

Ainsworth has provided some real touches of class and goals that no one from our 2025 list was capable of. Only Hayward has been a disappointment, but he has proven he's capable of much more.



I'm not bagging Florent. He's a good solid citizen and I was in favour of getting him.
But you can't expect to score from your back half when you don't have quality ball users. We need some class with the ball in the back half and it doesn't exist. Florent should be a role player back there. Instead he's our number one kicker. He leads us for rebound 50's but he's also number 1 in the AFL for turnovers! That's not a potshot. It's stating a fact.

The point is posters are bagging Voss for his tactical nous because we can't score from our back half. I'd suggest it's a personnel problem. Where is the class?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2026 11:45 pm 
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Charlie is performing the way I expected at the Swans. He’ll get some bags no doubt but l think he lost his mojo some time ago.

I worry about Florent Hayward and Ainsworth contracts both size and length


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2026 1:01 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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I'm gonna stand up for Flo, he's a solid and reliable player and iirc has been in our best 10 every week. Let's not forget that our age profile was completely [REDACTED], we had loads of kids but almost no one of note in the prime 24-28yo age bracket, so adding 3 such blokes - and ones with excellent injury histories and over 530 AFL games experience in top programs - was good business.

Ainsworth has provided some real touches of class and goals that no one from our 2025 list was capable of. Only Hayward has been a disappointment, but he has proven he's capable of much more.



I'm not bagging Florent. He's a good solid citizen and I was in favour of getting him.
But you can't expect to score from your back half when you don't have quality ball users. We need some class with the ball in the back half and it doesn't exist. Florent should be a role player back there. Instead he's our number one kicker. He leads us for rebound 50's but he's also number 1 in the AFL for turnovers! That's not a potshot. It's stating a fact.

The point is posters are bagging Voss for his tactical nous because we can't score from our back half. I'd suggest it's a personnel problem. Where is the class?


I wasn't suggesting you were bagging or pot shotting Flo, my response was to Rod calling him a list clogger. I agree with you that he's no star, he's a reliable and experienced prime age player, the type our list was lacking.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2026 12:37 pm 
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I agree we lack some class and polish in the backline, but I don’t see any sign of a system being attempted to transition the ball from defence. All I see are long bombs to outnumbered or static players. I’d like to see evidence that we are trying some sort of modern defence transition system but I don’t even see a failed attempt.
I’d rather fail and lose than not even try and lose.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2026 12:56 pm 
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Florent is number one for turnovers in the AFL with six teams to complete the round
Solid footballer yes
But no to recruiting him because turnovers kill you against good teams
But Carlton go one step further and sign him for 5 years
Meanwhile Wilson despite having a setback injury setback has shown in the 2 weeks he has been back and last year he is a good kick and quick but we back a 180
Game player for 5 years who can’t kick
In fact to be more specific Florent has had 92 disposals and 34 turnovers
Enough said
Again well done Carlton


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2026 6:17 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:

I feel the Charlie deal wasn’t as great as what it seems


Still feel that way after his gather round performance? :D


hahaha its the draft picks which we won on, but we will likely burn those anyway.... i dont mind florent, his mate i'm not a fan of

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2026 7:31 pm 
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I honestly had to turn it off tonight. The state of the game and the absolute rubbish umpiring meant i couldn't watch it any more. Nothing to do with Carlton losing. Just the deplorable product the AFL have created from what used to football. Footy in 2026 sucks
I bailed on the game mid way through the 2nd quarter.
The game is often not enjoyable to invest myself in with the constant tinkering with the rules and the state of the umpiring and the messing with drafting rules and the poor implementation of free agency and the stupid fixture and the too many teams and the adding dumb shit like wildcards etc etc.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2026 9:42 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:

I feel the Charlie deal wasn’t as great as what it seems


Still feel that way after his gather round performance? :D

Curnow 9 goals 11 behinds
McLovin 9 goals 3 behinds
so far this year.
I'd say we are not missing him at the moment.


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Blue Vain wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
Effes wrote:
Score sources

Turnover
Crows 13.5.83
Blues 7.9.51

Defensive half
Crows 6.4.40
Blues 1.1.7


I reckon these are the key for us. We all know Voss is a good leader, but not a great tactician. We won't be ready to seriously compete again, until we can match opposition sides in these 2 areas.


The backline Thursday included a key defender who couldn't get a game with an undersized Bulldogs defence and a bloke who was delisted by GWS without playing a game. The other defenders were a Bulldogs VFL player, a GWS player who was a VFL player in his final year and a Sydney player who couldn't get a game in their ones.
And we're surprised we can't score out of our back half?

HOF and Dean will be very good players but they're a couple of years away. I wouldn't be blaming tactics. You can't pull up your socks when you don't have any.

:thumbsup:
Both turnover and defensive half (transition) goals require good transition half backs, wings and midfielders.
Unfortunately for us, we are very light in all those areas.

Also in that game we again suffered from poor inside 50 entries and scoring when we locked the ball in there.
While both teams had similar disposal efficiency, our inside 50 efficiency was 40% to their 51.8%.
They also had 10 marks inside 50 to our 6 with us having 4 more inside 50s than them.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2026 9:51 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:

I feel the Charlie deal wasn’t as great as what it seems


Still feel that way after his gather round performance? :D

Curnow 9 goals 11 behinds
McLovin 9 goals 3 behinds
so far this year.
I'd say we are not missing him at the moment.


Pittonet 6 goals 1 behind, in many ways we’re ahead.


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