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Brian Cooked

Kingsley is being tested by an insane injury list this season, but his record at GWS is excellent: 3 seasons prior to his arrival they won 8 (of 17), 11 and 6; three seasons under Kingsley they've won 13, 15 and 16. You can say they have a better list, but it's one they've almost entirely built from the draft, while we complain that none of our own draftees ever develop - why? Under Kingsley they also have a recognisable style - the orange tsunami- one that is exciting to watch and gets results. Yes, GWS is an AFL golden child, but they also have the majority of the crowd supporting the other team 23 weeks a year.

So why are we listening to Williams a bloke with brain damage that is how bad this club is let’s hope wright and Davies sort the club out

No Longmire, Adam Simpson or Hinkley.

Overwhelmingly successful coaches in recent decades have been those in their first stint.

The one who may buck the trend is Hardwick - he's been gifted a list full of A-grade talent.

Kade Simpson or Grigg worth considering (amongst others).

The coaching group aren't the main game though - Carlton needs to have a deep look at it's recruiting team (which it has to some extent already) - Carlton has not drafted enough good players.

It is not apparent that Austin is up to the job.

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"I said I'd tell you the truth. Didn't say you'd like it." - Finch

Not nearly enough good players . You can't pull your socks up if your not wearing any . Agresta got the lemonade and sarse and has not been replaced . Strange that . As far as a future coach goes go old school Carlton and go bold . Going through a proper and thorough process is gonna get you another Bolton or Teague . We have been down that road .Get Hodge or go George Harris and make Bont an offer he can't refuse .

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All my dangerous friends

This is so so predictable.

Always blame the coach and game plan when things go pear shaped

Voss needs to go but the issues go way beyond him

Winning culture has disappeared from this club

The great clubs have great football programs

Nothing should be treated in isolation

It’s not simply recruiting or the coach or the game plan

Just have a look at our seconds and consider who is banging down the door for selection

I have stated numerous times that a big issue for this club has been a heavy reliance on its stars. Too top heavy to compete in the AFL, where depth and great football programs ensure sustained success.

With Cripps and Weitering on the wane and Curnow gone, the house of cards is tumbling down.

drafting has been very poor - anyone remember matthew watson, bootsma and menzel with back to back to back 1st round picks? SPS with a 6th pick? paddy dow. fkkkkkk me.

...but as bad as those horrors have been, development has been what's killed us. the salary cap came, and we still haven't gotten into a build the culture, develop our players and grow within mindset that the cap enforced with it's parity.


can't help but feel, gibbs, murphy, walker, jordan russell etc would have been an AA, flag winning core if say, the cats had have drafted them.



agree on the coach. we need a guy starting out who's going to be here a decade plus. and strangely enough, i really feel like GW will get that exact guy. and then oversee us building the correct list accordingly.

we will get there ... it's going to be really, really rough for a while before that.

Right now we're smack in the middle of Silvagni's black hole of midfielders.

All those failed mids like Dow & Philp that he drafted, if they'd actually been any good we'd be winning.

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Unfortunately, that's a very good summary.

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Actually players are trying and are playing for Voss so I'd keep him until the end of the year, the issue is our list but Dean O'Farrell Smith and Walker Carroll Bryne are good starts, if Ison comes on good...campo boys must be played, maybe Charleson and Irish boys? (not all at once but tried. across. the year) and then each kept or discarded depending on how they go. We need another key forward (a real one). Tell Voss he is not coaching for his future but for the club's.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

i disagree danny. this list is good enough for us to be in every game we've played. the core of this list burned teams just a couple of seasons ago playing uptempo, play on, chaos ball run in waves.

coaching is what's killing us. the coach prefers to bludgeon them at the coalface in a game that is comically changing it's rules to open up. we can open up, imo. we're just directed not to. keep it in close etc


but essentially it's like arguing about god. none of us have tangible proof, so we go round and round in circles.

Thursdays Adelaide to start gather round without Weitering and the Crows desperate for a win has all the makings of an absolute smashing

We have played 3 average or below average teams
The Crows midfield isn’t great but other than that I reckon it could be really ugly

Just keep playing Cripps and Hewett in the midfield together and we won’t lose. Won’t lose in at the draft that is.

STOP defending leads and the results will go our way. Never stop doing what got you in front in the first place.

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"can't kick ... don't pick"

We could get Voss on the cheap if we offered him another year or two ... not going to happen though.

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Winning is not enough for those that support Carlton, collingwood must lose.

If we got him for half price the team would give us one good quarter per match.

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Don’t forget Lochie… and the Stocker debacle.

He should’ve accidentally landed one, given all those picks.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

well, that's my point about development. there's no way you can be that bad at drafting. all those picks, you're still gonna jag a good one by accident. the maths of not getting any, is up there with winning powerball 3 weeks in a row.


some of these players, had they'd landed at say the cats would have been serviceable and played a role in a winning team. and a few of them would have been better than that, i'm sure.

To be fair to all of those players none of them could get into the midfield because Cripps was already there.

We had Setterfield on the wing, Kennedy half forward, Stocker back pocket and Dow as sub or in the twos. They couldn't get a consistent go at it.

Walsh came along, Hewitt and Cerra and we were full. We should have rotated our midfield more. We still don't.

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Jagga

Far be it for me to 'be fair' to SOS - Can't stand the bloke.

But...

Dow, O'Brien, Harry were all widely held as drafted where they were expected to be drafted (multiple phantom drafts).

Stocker was a gamble. I remember after he was drafted I spoke to John Barker and he said he's one of the best competitors he'd seen at training in matches.

Its our club environment, I'm certain. How many players have been Carltonised, and in reverse, how many average players became at least serviceable at other clubs.

We're a losing culture. St kilda of the 80s.

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