It's not just centre bounces, it's stoppages in general.

Opposition teams allow us the extras at the contest knowing that if/when it gets out... happy days.

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Said it before.

Contested ball as your only approach is low percentage. It looks amazing when it works but it's easier to nullify or break even on than quality ball movement and retention.

All eggs. One basket.

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Congratulations CK95

Absolutely. They have players standing about 2-3 meters on the outside of the contest ready to run and carry by hand. Once they get it out, we are nowhere to be seen.

I might be late on this but watched most of VFL and:
Reidy did quite a bit and on that offers more than HOK did.
Wilson finished game well but not much early, good run though.
Ison not close, didn't cope with VFL level yesterday.

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Well I did it.
And to be honest, I was not that upset, in fact I don't feel as bad about the season, if that is believable.
I agree with you about the poor umpiring decisions, but the worry for me was more our midfield-forward connection, because we had a lot of chances in that quarter to put the game out of reach or at minimum reduce the margin.
They also had some pretty good luck with kicks on goal and we then had some pretty bad luck with injuries.
With Williams out we lost run and when Dean went down we lost our defensive set up and I think they moved McLovin back to cover him, so we lost in attack also.
I thought Elijah did what no one else could or would, he stepped up and gave some good options, except the missed kick was poor.
Maybe he should've run a tag on Pickett and shut him down and the result could've changed, big call though.
If McKay kicked that goal, we had a look in.
If Kemp could play we could've had another avenue for goal.
He was putrid by the way, I can't remember a worse effort from a key forward to be honest, he literally provided nothing today.
In-fact he did the complete opposite, he gave the defenders an easy win in every contest.

But the clincher was, as in every quarter, our skills let us down again.
If we get them sorted, then maybe we do have a chance to have a more enjoyable season.
Thanks for that GE.

GreatEx wrote about Liverpool and belief.
A symptom of where we are at is that at no stage did our cheersquad proactively start making any noise, especially in the third when we could feel it slipping away.
The Dees cheersquad got going early.
And yes, i was also silent as I felt the inevitability grow.

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What freaks me out……

at the 12th minute mark of the last quarter…we were
leading by 20 points…everyone’s talking about 43 points….
but that was the first quarter….

as if Melbourne wasn’t going to kick goals….

but from the 13th minute of the last quarter and on…
they kicked 7 goals 3…to our 1 point…this is the problem…

The 7-8 goal bursts teams hand us in 15 minutes…what the
HELL’S THAT…?


kindest regards tommi






i don’t have an answer….i plead the Socrates…

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

We’re mentally cooked tommi. Players and coaches. Become untenable imho.

I posted in another thread that it was extremely alarming the defeated attitude of most of the playing group in the second half. Even our so called leaders. Very few willing to dig in and fight.

Our on field problems run deep and evidently we are incapable of fixing them. Lose in the same way and have massive consecutive goals against all the @#$%&! time.

I genuinely want to know what we’ve actually done, or tried to do, to address? I mean what did they do all pre season? And what do we do during the week leading in to a game?

These aren’t new issues.

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We are on our way back...

That 20 point cough up was like a story within a story

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#DonTheStash

Past players have come out and said this, so you would have to think they are still talking to some of the present ones.
About belief that is.
This could be a Ted Lasso moment for the club.
Maybe something the cheer squad should embody.
They could make big targets with 'Believe' above them for behind goals, especially for Harry.
Or make it the banner this week against North.

That's right siders, we need less TEEN SPIRIT (here we are now, entertain us) and more TEAM SPIRIT (we are here to carry you onwards, comrades).

God that's good, I should be charging for this.

This team needs a circuit breaker and it’s not coming from internally.

I actually don't blame Voss for much - he backs his players in. His only flaw is continuing to 'challenge' them and give them opportunities. They keep letting him down in the same way, and he keeps giving them another chance. And I kinda get it, because when it works it really works. But it just feels like he has to try something different.

As such I'm coming around to the idea that you have to have two different midfields; an offensive midifled and a defensive midfield.

Offense: Pitto, Cripps, Walsh, Smith, Hewett in the first half.

Defence: ?, Cerra, Florent, Boyd, Lord in the second half. Just guys with genuine intent, whose entire remit is to defend at stoppage.

Of course, this means that the offensive mids have to play *somewhere else* in the second half... And I'm not sure they have a second string to their bow.

The ruck situation is the big question - Pitto is playing well, but he's never been able to play a full game at the required level. He needs a decent chop-out... O'Keefe battled hard but it still young, and I'm not that impressed with Ryan, so I'm not sure what the best option is.

leaving us with pittonet, hok and reidy was always going to bite us.

pitto might play 75% of GT. but he's only ever been effective for about 25 mins per game, before he flames out.

but the powers to be, have treated things like pitto is capable of grundy or gawn levels of stamina and effectiveness. setting us all up for failure.

We had an athletic ruck, but the Aints offer was stupid, really stupid.
We needed draft capital for Dean and Ison because of the AFL, which we only got enough for Dean with the FA Compo and Charlie trade anyway.
So we had peanuts for a bid or trade on a top ruck, Reidy was a 3rd string behind two really good rucks so was worth a shot.
It may or may not pay out.
We kept HOK as our developing ruck.
But to say we only banked on Pitto is total rubbish.

Draper would've been good, but seriously, us or the Lions.
We had no other options.

Flynn Riley.

Most other teams have gone for a more athletic ruck - except us, who are consistent on 'contested beasts'.

little buddy. that's exactly what we did. when we did nothing to improve on pittonet as number 1 - who the whole world knows has deficiencies and is a number 2 at best - we were banking on pittonet doing a few things. like being productive in a game for more than half an hour (he's never done that in his career), for pittonet to remain healthy for a season (again, never has he done that) ... we were by definition banking on pitto.


is ison going to be that good? was he an essential add? does he replicate anything we already have on the list? or did we get him on the emotional grounds that he was nga? honest questions, i've never seen ison play. reading the match reports in the magoos, he sounds like a ways away. almost sounds like how moir was described in his first few games.

could we have used the ison pick to bolster the ruck stocks for something more than a project in reidy and someone like hok, who hasn't shown a great deal of anything so far?

Remind me, which AFL list is he on again?

Ok, so who should've we got to 'improve' on Pitto??
Enlighten me.

Yes, Ison looked great when he was playing U18s.
He is a big body that is quick, agile, athletic and can hit a target that can play midfield, wing and half forward.
All the positions we have weaknesses in with skills and abilities we require, you can't judge a kid on 1 VFL game.

Again 'bolster our ruck stocks' with who???
We did with Reidy, just because you think he's a bust doesn't mean the club banked on Pitto as you said.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, WE ADDED A RUCK.

If you are referring to the draft, let's have a look.
But let me first state this, if we drafted a ruck, he wouldn't be ready for years.
And we can still pick a kid up this year, or mid year.
But we all know, that is 1 priority behind many, our list has lots of holes in it.

2025 available rucks in the draft.
Tairon Ah-Mu - didn't get drafted.
Sam Ainsworth - didn't get drafted.
Cody Curtin - pick 43 (before Ison, but is a 200cm key forward that 'can' ruck, like Harry).
Will Darcy - FS Bulldogs.
Cooper Duff-Tytler - Not a chance in hell of getting him.
Louis Emmett - pick 27 (before Ison, probably the only ruck worth picking with what we had but everyone thought Ison would be bid on in the 20s).
Liam Hetherton - Cat B rookie, a looooooooooooong shot.
Archie Ludowyke - I'll admit, I really like the look of this kid but more so as a Curnow replacement, but he won't be ready for years.
Zac McCarthy - Collingwood NGA.
Taj Murray - didn't get drafted.
Aidan Schubert - pick 23 (before Ison and at 194cm is more of a key forward).
Isaac Waller - didn't get drafted.
Zac Harding - didn't get drafted.
Jasper Hay - didn't get drafted.
Jim Houston - didn't get drafted.
Marcus Krasnadamskis - didn't get drafted.
Jai Leach - didn't get drafted.
Cooper Ramsay - didn't get drafted.
Kalani White - Cat A rookie Melbourne FS

As I said, total rubbish.

who'd the swans have in their depth chart? did we ring every team and see who's available who could be better than pittonet or reid? how about mature ages? not sure why you're getting upset.

reading your posts about players and coaches. you'd think we were top 4, not bottom 3.

are you in denial, sid? it's okay.