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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 10:29 am 
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Yeah I know people are generally time poor but I'd give your local club or vfl a go. Perhaps its because carlton aren't going so well but im enjoying the local club more than the Afl

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 10:33 am 
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That's the nice thing about GWS, their games have an atmosphere somewhat reminiscent of VFL. If I still lived in Melbourne I would definitely beg the kids to let me take them to a VFL game. Although given how my suggestion of AFLW went when we were in town a few weeks back, I wouldn't fancy my chances.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 10:36 am 
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The new stand rule could be interesting, if the penalty is still 50 metres then the outcome for the offending team could be pretty significant (easy goals)


...and it's even worse than that, apparently EVERY opposition player within 5 metres of a free (or mark) being paid must immediately stop and stand where they until "play on" is called! So if there's a ruck free, the entire midfield must stand where they are and let the entire opposition midfield run into the fwd line unopposed! Or if there is pack mark, every opposition player has to stand where they are in the pack and let their opponents run off!

Eventually the umpire will tell the players who are allowed to run off while leaving one to "stand", but by then it will too late and they'll be metres behind their opponents.

This will end well.....


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 10:39 am 
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Jumping topics (within the thread context), did anyone read Weiterings comments about 2026? Seemed pretty dismissive and pointed about those who have left...

Quote:
“I think the people we’ve got in now are extremely motivated to do a job for this club. And as long as we do the right things as players in the off-season and have a great pre-season, I think the fans have a lot to look forward to.”


Quote:
“It gives an opportunity for guys to step up… it gives me a lot of energy knowing we’ve got guys that can perform for us.

“I wish [the departing players] all the best, but we’ve got to move forward as a football club.

“I’m still here, ‘Crippa’ is still here and the leaders will do their absolute best to push this club forward to success. I’m looking forward to what’s in store for us.”


https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/19227 ... ve-forward


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 10:46 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
The new stand rule could be interesting, if the penalty is still 50 metres then the outcome for the offending team could be pretty significant (easy goals)


...and it's even worse than that, apparently EVERY opposition player within 5 metres of a free (or mark) being paid must immediately stop and stand where they until "play on" is called! So if there's a ruck free, the entire midfield must stand where they are and let the entire opposition midfield run into the fwd line unopposed! Or if there is pack mark, every opposition player has to stand where they are in the pack and let their opponents run off!

Eventually the umpire will tell the players who are allowed to run off while leaving one to "stand", but by then it will too late and they'll be metres behind their opponents.

This will end well.....

Hang on…. What?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 10:53 am 
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Crusader wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
The new stand rule could be interesting, if the penalty is still 50 metres then the outcome for the offending team could be pretty significant (easy goals)


...and it's even worse than that, apparently EVERY opposition player within 5 metres of a free (or mark) being paid must immediately stop and stand where they until "play on" is called! So if there's a ruck free, the entire midfield must stand where they are and let the entire opposition midfield run into the fwd line unopposed! Or if there is pack mark, every opposition player has to stand where they are in the pack and let their opponents run off!

Eventually the umpire will tell the players who are allowed to run off while leaving one to "stand", but by then it will too late and they'll be metres behind their opponents.

This will end well.....

Hang on…. What?


From Michael Gleeson in The Age today https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the ... 5n6c6.html

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That is the new stand rule as it is written and released on Wednesday. A player – any player – within five metres of a player who is paid a mark or a free kick must stand.

It does not specify the closest one – and besides, which player is to decide who is closest? – and it does not say a single player, it says players inside the five-metre protected zone.

So if a free is paid in a pack, all players on the offending team must theoretically stand and not run forwards.

Likewise, if a pack flies for a mark and one player comes down with it. All opposition players must stand.

This is patently absurd and clearly not the intention of the rule. But it is how it is written.

Explaining the new change, Greg Swann said: “If they are in the vicinity, some bloke will stand on the mark, and the umpires can call, ‘Hey Pete, you’re on the mark or whatever’. I think that’s easily umpired.

...

You can understand what they want here, but they can’t find the words to explain it.

Given there is now no option of not standing or moving out of the zone, it has not anticipated what to do in the confusing scenario of multiple players trying to flee the scene.

Do they all stand? If not, which one?

Pity the player who thought the umpire meant for him to stop when, in fact, the instruction was meant for a teammate, and so he lets his opponent run merrily away. He’ll have to sheepishly scuff his way to the bench for a very understanding debrief with the coach, explaining like a guilty kid, “the ump told me to”.

Or just as bad, the player who assumes the ump meant his teammate had to stand, so he runs off, thus giving away a 50-metre penalty and shot at goal.

Working out how to police the change will fall to umpires. They already have a bit on their plate, like where’s Matt Rowell? Was that him? Put him down for three votes.

The idea that a rule is announced with wording that is quite precise but with vague application gives it the impression it was drafted by The Castle’s Dennis Denuto. It’s the vibe, stand.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 11:52 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
Jumping topics (within the thread context), did anyone read Weiterings comments about 2026? Seemed pretty dismissive and pointed about those who have left...

Quote:
“I think the people we’ve got in now are extremely motivated to do a job for this club. And as long as we do the right things as players in the off-season and have a great pre-season, I think the fans have a lot to look forward to.”


Quote:
“It gives an opportunity for guys to step up… it gives me a lot of energy knowing we’ve got guys that can perform for us.

“I wish [the departing players] all the best, but we’ve got to move forward as a football club.

“I’m still here, ‘Crippa’ is still here and the leaders will do their absolute best to push this club forward to success. I’m looking forward to what’s in store for us.”


https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/19227 ... ve-forward
He's basically saying to Charlie, come at me bro.


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 Post subject: 2026 - What do we think?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 12:33 pm 
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Everyone's a critic but I can't see how this will make it easier for umpires ie the new rules interpretations. Other than not having the sledgehammer pressure of having to bounce, tee hee

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 1:07 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Crusader wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
The new stand rule could be interesting, if the penalty is still 50 metres then the outcome for the offending team could be pretty significant (easy goals)


...and it's even worse than that, apparently EVERY opposition player within 5 metres of a free (or mark) being paid must immediately stop and stand where they until "play on" is called! So if there's a ruck free, the entire midfield must stand where they are and let the entire opposition midfield run into the fwd line unopposed! Or if there is pack mark, every opposition player has to stand where they are in the pack and let their opponents run off!

Eventually the umpire will tell the players who are allowed to run off while leaving one to "stand", but by then it will too late and they'll be metres behind their opponents.

This will end well.....

Hang on…. What?


From Michael Gleeson in The Age today https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the ... 5n6c6.html

Quote:
That is the new stand rule as it is written and released on Wednesday. A player – any player – within five metres of a player who is paid a mark or a free kick must stand.

It does not specify the closest one – and besides, which player is to decide who is closest? – and it does not say a single player, it says players inside the five-metre protected zone.

So if a free is paid in a pack, all players on the offending team must theoretically stand and not run forwards.

Likewise, if a pack flies for a mark and one player comes down with it. All opposition players must stand.

This is patently absurd and clearly not the intention of the rule. But it is how it is written.

Explaining the new change, Greg Swann said: “If they are in the vicinity, some bloke will stand on the mark, and the umpires can call, ‘Hey Pete, you’re on the mark or whatever’. I think that’s easily umpired.

...

You can understand what they want here, but they can’t find the words to explain it.

Given there is now no option of not standing or moving out of the zone, it has not anticipated what to do in the confusing scenario of multiple players trying to flee the scene.

Do they all stand? If not, which one?

Pity the player who thought the umpire meant for him to stop when, in fact, the instruction was meant for a teammate, and so he lets his opponent run merrily away. He’ll have to sheepishly scuff his way to the bench for a very understanding debrief with the coach, explaining like a guilty kid, “the ump told me to”.

Or just as bad, the player who assumes the ump meant his teammate had to stand, so he runs off, thus giving away a 50-metre penalty and shot at goal.

Working out how to police the change will fall to umpires. They already have a bit on their plate, like where’s Matt Rowell? Was that him? Put him down for three votes.

The idea that a rule is announced with wording that is quite precise but with vague application gives it the impression it was drafted by The Castle’s Dennis Denuto. It’s the vibe, stand.

Gleeson has let himself down here.

Golden opportunity to be better & he’s complaining that there aren’t enough words. Bloke wants to codify every aspect of every thing.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 1:46 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Crusader wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
The new stand rule could be interesting, if the penalty is still 50 metres then the outcome for the offending team could be pretty significant (easy goals)


...and it's even worse than that, apparently EVERY opposition player within 5 metres of a free (or mark) being paid must immediately stop and stand where they until "play on" is called! So if there's a ruck free, the entire midfield must stand where they are and let the entire opposition midfield run into the fwd line unopposed! Or if there is pack mark, every opposition player has to stand where they are in the pack and let their opponents run off!

Eventually the umpire will tell the players who are allowed to run off while leaving one to "stand", but by then it will too late and they'll be metres behind their opponents.

This will end well.....

Hang on…. What?


From Michael Gleeson in The Age today https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the ... 5n6c6.html

Quote:
That is the new stand rule as it is written and released on Wednesday. A player – any player – within five metres of a player who is paid a mark or a free kick must stand.

It does not specify the closest one – and besides, which player is to decide who is closest? – and it does not say a single player, it says players inside the five-metre protected zone.

So if a free is paid in a pack, all players on the offending team must theoretically stand and not run forwards.

Likewise, if a pack flies for a mark and one player comes down with it. All opposition players must stand.

This is patently absurd and clearly not the intention of the rule. But it is how it is written.

Explaining the new change, Greg Swann said: “If they are in the vicinity, some bloke will stand on the mark, and the umpires can call, ‘Hey Pete, you’re on the mark or whatever’. I think that’s easily umpired.

...

You can understand what they want here, but they can’t find the words to explain it.

Given there is now no option of not standing or moving out of the zone, it has not anticipated what to do in the confusing scenario of multiple players trying to flee the scene.

Do they all stand? If not, which one?

Pity the player who thought the umpire meant for him to stop when, in fact, the instruction was meant for a teammate, and so he lets his opponent run merrily away. He’ll have to sheepishly scuff his way to the bench for a very understanding debrief with the coach, explaining like a guilty kid, “the ump told me to”.

Or just as bad, the player who assumes the ump meant his teammate had to stand, so he runs off, thus giving away a 50-metre penalty and shot at goal.

Working out how to police the change will fall to umpires. They already have a bit on their plate, like where’s Matt Rowell? Was that him? Put him down for three votes.

The idea that a rule is announced with wording that is quite precise but with vague application gives it the impression it was drafted by The Castle’s Dennis Denuto. It’s the vibe, stand.

Gleeson has let himself down here.

Golden opportunity to be better & he’s complaining that there aren’t enough words. Bloke wants to codify every aspect of every thing.


Umm, no, he's not asking for more words, he's asking for clearer words, do you really find the wording clear and not open to massive confusion and interpretation? Did you rated the Use Cases given?

Even worse, Swan can't even explain how it will work


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 2:13 pm 
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As for 2026….

may i say…it looks like we should be a better team…

When you put it all together…..Wright from the top…
all the way down to Frank the tank….there has been
mucho improvemento…

In the office…the coaches…the fresh blood….the cutting
off of the bunions…

The way i see it…i feel our bottom 6 has improved
by a reasonable percentage…

We will…climb the ladder next season…


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 2:35 pm 
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Loving your buzz Tommi. I'm with you 100%.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 2:57 pm 
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Yep good post Tommi


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 3:13 pm 
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Great description Tommi!
Our bottom 6 is much better.

Re the stand rule, surely they could just say ‘the closest player’ and then leave it for the umpire to work it out (in most cases it will be pretty obvious).


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 3:50 pm 
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Thank you gentleman….

Buzz dull averted…


kindest regards tommi







Having said that…i WAS expecting a bit more love
for…”Wright from the top”….

I know I know….too subtle…

That’s part of my middle name…”too subtle”…

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:43 pm 
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tommi wrote:
As for 2026….

may i say…it looks like we should be a better team…

When you put it all together…..Wright from the top…
all the way down to Frank the tank….there has been
mucho improvemento…

In the office…the coaches…the fresh blood….the cutting
off of the bunions…

The way i see it…i feel our bottom 6 has improved
by a reasonable percentage…

We will…climb the ladder next season…


kindest regards tommi







Please don’t dull my buzz maaan…i don’t have much…


I like it

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 7:29 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:

Umm, no, he's not asking for more words, he's asking for clearer words, do you really find the wording clear and not open to massive confusion and interpretation? Did you rated the Use Cases given?

Even worse, Swan can't even explain how it will work

What isn’t clear?

Someone stand the mark, everyone else @#$%&! off. It’s not for the umpires to figure out who stands the mark.

Which teams will have their hearts set on competitive advantage via word f*ckery?… Being the best at arguing during the physical contest?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 8:19 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
sinbagger wrote:

Umm, no, he's not asking for more words, he's asking for clearer words, do you really find the wording clear and not open to massive confusion and interpretation? Did you rated the Use Cases given?

Even worse, Swan can't even explain how it will work

What isn’t clear?

Someone stand the mark, everyone else @#$%&! off. It’s not for the umpires to figure out who stands the mark.

Which teams will have their hearts set on competitive advantage via word f*ckery?… Being the best at arguing during the physical contest?


And there’s the (potential) clarity he’s asking for…

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It’s not for the umpires to figure out who stands the mark.


You just made that up as it’s not in the new rule isn’t it?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2025 11:21 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
Crusader wrote:
sinbagger wrote:

Umm, no, he's not asking for more words, he's asking for clearer words, do you really find the wording clear and not open to massive confusion and interpretation? Did you rated the Use Cases given?

Even worse, Swan can't even explain how it will work

What isn’t clear?

Someone stand the mark, everyone else @#$%&! off. It’s not for the umpires to figure out who stands the mark.

Which teams will have their hearts set on competitive advantage via word f*ckery?… Being the best at arguing during the physical contest?


And there’s the (potential) clarity he’s asking for…

Quote:
It’s not for the umpires to figure out who stands the mark.


You just made that up as it’s not in the new rule isn’t it?
It's how I interpreted it.

Everyone within 5 metres has to stand and wait for the umpire to tell them what to do.

@#$%&! ridiculous.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2025 12:09 pm 
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TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Crusader wrote:
sinbagger wrote:

Umm, no, he's not asking for more words, he's asking for clearer words, do you really find the wording clear and not open to massive confusion and interpretation? Did you rated the Use Cases given?

Even worse, Swan can't even explain how it will work

What isn’t clear?

Someone stand the mark, everyone else @#$%&! off. It’s not for the umpires to figure out who stands the mark.

Which teams will have their hearts set on competitive advantage via word f*ckery?… Being the best at arguing during the physical contest?


And there’s the (potential) clarity he’s asking for…

Quote:
It’s not for the umpires to figure out who stands the mark.


You just made that up as it’s not in the new rule isn’t it?
It's how I interpreted it.

Everyone within 5 metres has to stand and wait for the umpire to tell them what to do.

@#$%&! ridiculous.


and if the umpire disagrees with the players choice of who to "stand", then it costs your team 50 metre penalty, good luck arguing with the umpire


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