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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 6:18 pm 
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A recent phantom draft from Sporting news has Dean at pick 9 (*'s second pick)
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/afl-phantom-draft-2025-top-10-prospects-first-round-projections/d09e6c7dcbea1d13897a67ac

1. Duursma
2. Uwland - GCS
3. Duff-Tytler
4. Annable - Lions
5. Patterson - GCS
6. Robey
7. Sharp
8. Taylor
9. Dean
10. Grlj
11. Melbourne
12. Melbourne
13. Hawthorn
14. GWS
15. WCE
16. Carlton (as below)

Pick #9 = 1355pts less 10% = 1220pts
Picks #12 & #14 = 2164pts
Balance = 944pts (pick #16 - 924pts)

From Cal Twomey phantom guide.
With 5 players to be picked before our next pick if the above happens there is still:
Schubert - 197cm Key forward
Lindsay - 183cm Defender/midfielder
Farrow - 188cm Midfielder
Marsh - 191cm Forward
Cumming - 186cm Midfielder
Greeves - 191cm Midfielder
Phillipou - 183cm Midfielder/Forward
Dovaston - 177cm Small Forward
Hibbins-Hargreaves - 186cm Forward/Midfielder
Oskar Taylor - 182cm Defender

If the club is interested in Dovaston and they think they can get him at the end of the first round I wouldn't be surprised if we traded our 'slide' pick back to get extra points incase an earlier bid comes in for Ison as we will most likely only have 1 pick that will have points attached to it (pick #43 - 184pts as it stands, pick #54 - 14pts might be wiped)
Or they might just take a points deficit into next years draft for Cody, I can't see it being too much.
Plus we can still trade out players next season anyway to get more points.

Let's just hope the bid comes in later than pick 9 and not at all for Ison.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 8:08 pm 
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I agree, we still need to add more better ball users and speed.
Hopefully we can add Humphrey, Butters and Cody next trade period.
We have definitely improved on our weaknesses this trade period.
Let's hope it is contagious and the rest of the team lifts.

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List chasm: Run, carry and polish

The big question hovering over the Blues for some time now. For that contest-heavy style that ascended Carlton in Michael Voss’ first few years as coach is out of tune with the run and gun, crisp ball movement of the best teams. So how does that reflect on the personnel? They Blues shook up their list profile over a busy trade period including bringing in Will Hayward, Oliver Florent, Ben Ainsworth, Campbell Chesser and Liam Reidy, while Charlie Curnow, Tom De Koning and Jack Silvagni departed. The other big addition is Jagga Smith after the former No. 3 draft pick’s 2025 was wiped by injury. Nic Newman — their best distributor across half back — also returns. It gives Carlton a more dynamic feel in every part of the ground, particularly if the likes of Jesse Motlop and Ollie Hollands can take steps forward and they commit to more of a high-speed game style. There’s still concern over whether this team has enough quality ball users though. So even if they tweak the way they play, you can’t magically make players better kicks.


https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2025-every-clubs-list-chasm-list-problems-and-weaknesses-analysis-areas-of-need-draft-delisted-free-agency-and-ssp-targets-latest-news/news-story/99f023d15c98362041d3cfde6b098d14


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 8:32 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
A recent phantom draft from Sporting news has Dean at pick 9 (*'s second pick)
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/afl-phantom-draft-2025-top-10-prospects-first-round-projections/d09e6c7dcbea1d13897a67ac

1. Duursma
2. Uwland - GCS
3. Duff-Tytler
4. Annable - Lions
5. Patterson - GCS
6. Robey
7. Sharp
8. Taylor
9. Dean
10. Grlj
11. Melbourne
12. Melbourne
13. Hawthorn
14. GWS
15. WCE
16. Carlton (as below)

Pick #9 = 1355pts less 10% = 1220pts
Picks #12 & #14 = 2164pts
Balance = 944pts (pick #16 - 924pts)

From Cal Twomey phantom guide.
With 5 players to be picked before our next pick if the above happens there is still:
Schubert - 197cm Key forward
Lindsay - 183cm Defender/midfielder
Farrow - 188cm Midfielder
Marsh - 191cm Forward
Cumming - 186cm Midfielder
Greeves - 191cm Midfielder
Phillipou - 183cm Midfielder/Forward
Dovaston - 177cm Small Forward
Hibbins-Hargreaves - 186cm Forward/Midfielder
Oskar Taylor - 182cm Defender

If the club is interested in Dovaston and they think they can get him at the end of the first round I wouldn't be surprised if we traded our 'slide' pick back to get extra points incase an earlier bid comes in for Ison as we will most likely only have 1 pick that will have points attached to it (pick #43 - 184pts as it stands, pick #54 - 14pts might be wiped)
Or they might just take a points deficit into next years draft for Cody, I can't see it being too much.
Plus we can still trade out players next season anyway to get more points.

Let's just hope the bid comes in later than pick 9 and not at all for Ison.


Farrow and Lindsay would be great. In fact I have them ahead of Duursma. Duursma's are the same as Morton's. Very good junior footballers, bang average at the next level. We've seen two, what makes clubs think the third will be any different? I also don't think Harry Dean is a top 10 pick. He's too much of an in-between height. Not a KPD, more your Jake Lever type. Would be happy to take a flyer on Harley Barker. Did his ACL and won't play in 2026, but would have been a top 10 pick.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 12:35 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
A recent phantom draft from Sporting news has Dean at pick 9 (*'s second pick)
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/afl-phantom-draft-2025-top-10-prospects-first-round-projections/d09e6c7dcbea1d13897a67ac

1. Duursma
2. Uwland - GCS
3. Duff-Tytler
4. Annable - Lions
5. Patterson - GCS
6. Robey
7. Sharp
8. Taylor
9. Dean
10. Grlj
11. Melbourne
12. Melbourne
13. Hawthorn
14. GWS
15. WCE
16. Carlton (as below)

Pick #9 = 1355pts less 10% = 1220pts
Picks #12 & #14 = 2164pts
Balance = 944pts (pick #16 - 924pts)

From Cal Twomey phantom guide.
With 5 players to be picked before our next pick if the above happens there is still:
Schubert - 197cm Key forward
Lindsay - 183cm Defender/midfielder
Farrow - 188cm Midfielder
Marsh - 191cm Forward
Cumming - 186cm Midfielder
Greeves - 191cm Midfielder
Phillipou - 183cm Midfielder/Forward
Dovaston - 177cm Small Forward
Hibbins-Hargreaves - 186cm Forward/Midfielder
Oskar Taylor - 182cm Defender

If the club is interested in Dovaston and they think they can get him at the end of the first round I wouldn't be surprised if we traded our 'slide' pick back to get extra points incase an earlier bid comes in for Ison as we will most likely only have 1 pick that will have points attached to it (pick #43 - 184pts as it stands, pick #54 - 14pts might be wiped)
Or they might just take a points deficit into next years draft for Cody, I can't see it being too much.
Plus we can still trade out players next season anyway to get more points.

Let's just hope the bid comes in later than pick 9 and not at all for Ison.


If Melbourne, Hawthorn, GWS or West Coast pick Dovaston then trading back the 'slide' pick would be a waste of time. We should just see where that pick lands after matching the Dean bid and then take the best available. It may be Marsh or Cumming or Greeves. It may be Dovaston.

There is a chance that Dean won't be bid on before Pick 9. In that case we have a free hit to select someone like Schubert, Lindsay or Farrow. Then we match Dean with Pick 11 if Hawthorn bid on him. If they don't bid on him either we may trade Pick 11 down to two lower picks and wait for the bid to come in and see how cheap we can get him. The remainder can then be used on Ison. If we have too many points for Ison then we may be able to select someone else around that mark. That is why I would go into the draft with four spots available.

Cal Twomey is coming out with a new phantom guide on Friday.

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 Post subject: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 12:40 am 
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https://amp.nine.com.au/article/359ccb1 ... 32ff97a2fb

Carlton has the most remaining decisions to make of any team. Key defender Mitch McGovern, 31, has fallen from star trade recruit to fringe member of the list, but his chances of a new contract increased when the Blues failed to get a trade done for Bulldogs defender Buku Khamis.

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The Blues also have a quartet of youngsters in Flynn Young, Harry Charleson, Rob Monahan and Will White who remain without deals for 2026.

More interestingly is the Elijah Hollands situation. The talented midfielder is contracted for 2026, but Carlton hasn't ruled out ripping up his deal following a tumultuous year off the field.

Speaking with The Age, Hollands admitted to severe mental health and alcohol problems, but remains hopeful he will return to Princes Park next year.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 6:52 am 
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So who is gonna play CHB and CHF in our Magoo's . Geez where light on key position players .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 8:18 am 
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Yes Mick we absolutely need a SSP player who is a KPD


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 8:40 am 
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Frank Carspew wrote:
Yes Mick we absolutely need a SSP player who is a KPD


I would be amazed if we didn't grab one Frank . I"d also like us to draft a couple of youngster's with a bit of potential . A couple of up and comers .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 9:42 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
Frank Carspew wrote:
Yes Mick we absolutely need a SSP player who is a KPD


I would be amazed if we didn't grab one Frank . I"d also like us to draft a couple of youngster's with a bit of potential . A couple of up and comers .


The question is whether we take a short term view and grab, say Frost, for a year or look medium to long term.

I wonder if they regret not putting Newman onto the LTI and letting the Junkies take McMahon.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 9:43 am 
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Don’t know how to do links but worth watching backchat Lee Spurr interview
Plenty of blokes mature aged that should be playing AFL from lower leagues
Spurr would also shit on nearly every AFL media performer


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 9:58 am 
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Schubert looks really good, and we need a young key forward, but we need a KPD even more


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:09 am 
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The rules state that you can’t go into the draft with more picks than available primary list spots.

Once the draft begins, you can split a pick however many times you want to build up points. But, until then, the order is set according to the number of available places.

Clubs must have:

A minimum of 36, and maximum of 38 players on the primary list.
No more than 44 players in total, with the balance (6-8 players) made up from Category A and/or B rookies.

Right now, our list is:

Primary - 34 (including McGovern & Elijah)
Total - 43 (McGovern, Elijah, White, F.Young)

That leaves just one list spot open, and it won’t get us to the minimum 36 primary.

If we don’t cut the list down to at least 40, we won’t be able to start the draft with four picks. That means fewer points. Until the Dean & Ison are in the bag, points are all that matter.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:13 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
Schubert looks really good, and we need a young key forward, but we need a KPD even more


Admittedly, I don't know a thing about any of the draft prospects this year.

But as soon as I saw Sidey's list above I thought, surely we take Schubert, given that we've just lost Charlie and H is fast approaching 30.

Unless the midfielders are guaranteed to be bonafide superstars, which is unlikely at the end of the first round, you'd think you would draft for need.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:30 am 
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TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Schubert looks really good, and we need a young key forward, but we need a KPD even more


Admittedly, I don't know a thing about any of the draft prospects this year.

But as soon as I saw Sidey's list above I thought, surely we take Schubert, given that we've just lost Charlie and H is fast approaching 30.

Unless the midfielders are guaranteed to be bonafide superstars, which is unlikely at the end of the first round, you'd think you would draft for need.

Easy on poor Harry - 2 full seasons before he turns 30!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:41 am 
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Can a team take additional points into the following year?
If nobody bids for Dean before 11, and we split 11 for 2 later picks, and we use some of one of them on ISON but have points left over can we keep those points for next year?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:44 am 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Can a team take additional points into the following year?
If nobody bids for Dean before 11, and we split 11 for 2 later picks, and we use some of one of them on ISON but have points left over can we keep those points for next year?

Nope. Use it or lose it.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 12:46 pm 
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london blue wrote:
TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Schubert looks really good, and we need a young key forward, but we need a KPD even more


Admittedly, I don't know a thing about any of the draft prospects this year.

But as soon as I saw Sidey's list above I thought, surely we take Schubert, given that we've just lost Charlie and H is fast approaching 30.

Unless the midfielders are guaranteed to be bonafide superstars, which is unlikely at the end of the first round, you'd think you would draft for need.

Easy on poor Harry - 2 full seasons before he turns 30!


First thing I thought when I saw the aim taken at Harry.

Our window is not closed whilst Harry is on our list.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Crusader wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
Can a team take additional points into the following year?
If nobody bids for Dean before 11, and we split 11 for 2 later picks, and we use some of one of them on ISON but have points left over can we keep those points for next year?

Nope. Use it or lose it.


So that's why we need at least four spots available for the draft and that means at least three players still to delist.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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bondiblue wrote:
london blue wrote:
TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Schubert looks really good, and we need a young key forward, but we need a KPD even more


Admittedly, I don't know a thing about any of the draft prospects this year.

But as soon as I saw Sidey's list above I thought, surely we take Schubert, given that we've just lost Charlie and H is fast approaching 30.

Unless the midfielders are guaranteed to be bonafide superstars, which is unlikely at the end of the first round, you'd think you would draft for need.

Easy on poor Harry - 2 full seasons before he turns 30!


First thing I thought when I saw the aim taken at Harry.

Our window is not closed whilst Harry is on our list.

True Bondi

AND we don’t know what’s around to corner - all sorts of possibilities - 2026 is a new beginning


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 12:52 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
The rules state that you can’t go into the draft with more picks than available primary list spots.

Once the draft begins, you can split a pick however many times you want to build up points. But, until then, the order is set according to the number of available places.

Clubs must have:

A minimum of 36, and maximum of 38 players on the primary list.
No more than 44 players in total, with the balance (6-8 players) made up from Category A and/or B rookies.

Right now, our list is:

Primary - 34 (including McGovern & Elijah)
Total - 43 (McGovern, Elijah, White, F.Young)

That leaves just one list spot open, and it won’t get us to the minimum 36 primary.

If we don’t cut the list down to at least 40, we won’t be able to start the draft with four picks. That means fewer points. Until the Dean & Ison are in the bag, points are all that matter.


I didnt realise that. I was sure teams had an abundance of picks, they were never going to use to pick players but rather to match a pick. see Daicos.

What I am reading into this is we can't delist players after the draft, that must be done before the Draft.???

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