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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 3:56 pm 
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They should have to give us their first round pick even if we decide no deal. Just for being cheeky cauliflowers


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 4:16 pm 
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london blue wrote:
I wouldn’t give up pick 22, however, rest of deal is ok.

Charlie isn’t professional, let’s not over rate him

2 F1’s and good character footballers who have skills we need


spot on.

the entire issue is that as i see it.

we are unbalanced, we dont need another elite A grader, costing us a fortune. We have had that and it got us nowhere.

we need more solid contributors, turning 1 elite (at his best he was elite, but I'm not convinced he is that footballer anymore) into 4 good players, to spread the load, is what this trade is about.

Haywood & Florent are in out starting 22. Turn this year first and TDK Compo into another good player and its another player into out starting 22. 1 player into 3/4 good players, makes us a better side.

Player for player, there are no comparisons, however the sum of parts is what im interested in.

Forget the Pick 22, we keep that for Dean.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 4:31 pm 
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Chad Warner was 50/50 on signing with the Swans. He’ll aim to get back to WA or out of Swans at the end of next year. Their list lacks depth in terms & the age profile it isn’t great. Grundy debuted 2013, Rampe 2013.. how many more years out of old war horses?
Re Warner..he owes them nothing.

A straight swap for Warner and the Swans keep all their draft picks.
That’s fair.
Two A graders swap.

Carlton can even take the other Warner so he doesn’t get homesick.

Getting list cloggers… jeez… like Florent . if they are that stupid I’d be amazed.
That clown on Fox Brad Johnson? “Excellent addition” to get Florent.
These people are mental.
“Looks overs to me” said ex-Swan Gerard Healy with a straight face. As in the Swans are giving up too much. Jeez.. I laughed.
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Carlton are being played as the dopes that they seemingly are.

Geelong might be sneaky tomorrow.. We’ll see.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1306198/cha ... -swans/amp


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 4:48 pm 
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ScottSaunders2 wrote:
london blue wrote:
I wouldn’t give up pick 22, however, rest of deal is ok.

Charlie isn’t professional, let’s not over rate him

2 F1’s and good character footballers who have skills we need


spot on.

the entire issue is that as i see it.

we are unbalanced, we dont need another elite A grader, costing us a fortune. We have had that and it got us nowhere.

we need more solid contributors, turning 1 elite (at his best he was elite, but I'm not convinced he is that footballer anymore) into 4 good players, to spread the load, is what this trade is about.

Haywood & Florent are in out starting 22. Turn this year first and TDK Compo into another good player and its another player into out starting 22. 1 player into 3/4 good players, makes us a better side.

Player for player, there are no comparisons, however the sum of parts is what im interested in.

Forget the Pick 22, we keep that for Dean.


I think you both hit the nail on the head.

Value can only be measured by the sum of parts.

Quietly, Ive been very concerned with Charlie's knee.
Thought the Swans would find some irregularity after his Medical, but whether they reject him or we refuse to do the deal, I wondered if have we've seen the best of him, which I think was prior to 2023 Finals Campaign.

He has been irregular, since his first injury a few years back, but since that Finals series. I thought he was a flat track bully against the week, and against weak opposition we played well

He's missed a couple years good footy, and was restricted this year. I was sure his body couldn't do what it use to do "Curnolenko" style, hence his on field frustration.
I think he thinks he needs a change. Just start again. Maybe its for the good of both sides: Curnow and Carlton. I'm on Carlton's side.

I agree, you boys hit the nail on the head. London's been consistent with his position. 2 Swans players and 2 Firsts is MUCH better than Geelong's 3 firsts.
Turn 2 firsts into a Top 5 draftee, or top player and get Dean with 22, and a pick F1 for 2026. Butters can make up his own mind next year.

Greed tells me a 2nd round pick would be icing.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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I recall the years when 2 x First round picks were GOLD.

Now its 2 x Firsts (one a 2025 top 10 pick) and 2 Good players of need.

We should be happy with that OR, hope Charlie improves and gives us consistency in 2026.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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As Warner has been mentioned here let me float this.

Warner for Charlie, straight swap.

Sign Warner for 3 years.

After 2 years when Warner wants to go home to WA. Again.

Swap him for Harley !!

Simples :thanks:

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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:05 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I recall the years when 2 x First round picks were GOLD.

Now its 2 x Firsts (one a 2025 top 10 pick) and 2 Good players of need.

We should be happy with that OR, hope Charlie improves and gives us consistency in 2026.


Not all first rounders are equal. Pick 11 will end up at least pick 15. A future first could well be in 20s and essentially a second rounder.

If it was two picks in the top 10, the real top 10 even after all the bullshit academy picks, then it would be a different story.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:06 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I recall the years when 2 x First round picks were GOLD.

Now its 2 x Firsts (one a 2025 top 10 pick) and 2 Good players of need.

We should be happy with that OR, hope Charlie improves and gives us consistency in 2026.


Not all first rounders are equal. Pick 11 will end up at least pick 15. A future first could well be in 20s and essentially a second rounder.

If it was two picks in the top 10, the real top 10 even after all the bullshit academy picks, then it would be a different story.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:20 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Chad Warner was 50/50 on signing with the Swans. He’ll aim to get back to WA or out of Swans at the end of next year. Their list lacks depth in terms & the age profile it isn’t great. Grundy debuted 2013, Rampe 2013.. how many more years out of old war horses?
Re Warner..he owes them nothing.

A straight swap for Warner and the Swans keep all their draft picks.
That’s fair.
Two A graders swap.

Carlton can even take the other Warner so he doesn’t get homesick.

Getting list cloggers… jeez… like Florent . if they are that stupid I’d be amazed.
That clown on Fox Brad Johnson? “Excellent addition” to get Florent.
These people are mental.
“Looks overs to me” said ex-Swan Gerard Healy with a straight face. As in the Swans are giving up too much. Jeez.. I laughed.
:donk:
Carlton are being played as the dopes that they seemingly are.

Geelong might be sneaky tomorrow.. We’ll see.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1306198/cha ... -swans/amp



Tapin thank you :)

Florent basically played VFL this season, has the fifth worst disposal (or is it kick?) in the comp and couldn't get a senior game in a team that missed finals by some margin.

Hayward - IMO underwhelming. Knocked us back recently. Does not want to leave Sydney

Asking for Pick 22 back? LMFAO - they are taking the piss - that kills the future first par of this already horrible deal.

Curnow - two-time Coleman medalist - in let's admit it, a team that has (politely putting it) "trouble" with its disposal efficiency etc.

Just imagine for a minute what Curnow's value is to Sydney with the quality of their midfield? He will win the Coleman again - almost guaranteed.

Swans - get real and come back with something that comes close to market value here.

I'd be a little more interested with Campbell, Pick 11 and a future first.

On the flipside - I will be livid if the club folds and accept this current "offer"

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:59 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I recall the years when 2 x First round picks were GOLD.

Now its 2 x Firsts (one a 2025 top 10 pick) and 2 Good players of need.

We should be happy with that OR, hope Charlie improves and gives us consistency in 2026.


Not all first rounders are equal. Pick 11 will end up at least pick 15. A future first could well be in 20s and essentially a second rounder.

If it was two picks in the top 10, the real top 10 even after all the bullshit academy picks, then it would be a different story.


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Once upon a time there were no academies and no free agency comp. Some first rounders are more equal than others now.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 8:14 pm 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Chad Warner was 50/50 on signing with the Swans. He’ll aim to get back to WA or out of Swans at the end of next year. Their list lacks depth in terms & the age profile it isn’t great. Grundy debuted 2013, Rampe 2013.. how many more years out of old war horses?
Re Warner..he owes them nothing.

A straight swap for Warner and the Swans keep all their draft picks.
That’s fair.
Two A graders swap.

Carlton can even take the other Warner so he doesn’t get homesick.

Getting list cloggers… jeez… like Florent . if they are that stupid I’d be amazed.
That clown on Fox Brad Johnson? “Excellent addition” to get Florent.
These people are mental.
“Looks overs to me” said ex-Swan Gerard Healy with a straight face. As in the Swans are giving up too much. Jeez.. I laughed.
:donk:
Carlton are being played as the dopes that they seemingly are.

Geelong might be sneaky tomorrow.. We’ll see.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1306198/cha ... -swans/amp



Tapin thank you :)

Florent basically played VFL this season, has the fifth worst disposal (or is it kick?) in the comp and couldn't get a senior game in a team that missed finals by some margin.

Hayward - IMO underwhelming. Knocked us back recently. Does not want to leave Sydney

Asking for Pick 22 back? LMFAO - they are taking the piss - that kills the future first par of this already horrible deal.

Curnow - two-time Coleman medalist - in let's admit it, a team that has (politely putting it) "trouble" with its disposal efficiency etc.

Just imagine for a minute what Curnow's value is to Sydney with the quality of their midfield? He will win the Coleman again - almost guaranteed.

Swans - get real and come back with something that comes close to market value here.

I'd be a little more interested with Campbell, Pick 11 and a future first.

On the flipside - I will be livid if the club folds and accept this current "offer"


Can you please back up your source on that disposal/kicking stat on Florent.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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dadadadada wrote:
BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Chad Warner was 50/50 on signing with the Swans. He’ll aim to get back to WA or out of Swans at the end of next year. Their list lacks depth in terms & the age profile it isn’t great. Grundy debuted 2013, Rampe 2013.. how many more years out of old war horses?
Re Warner..he owes them nothing.

A straight swap for Warner and the Swans keep all their draft picks.
That’s fair.
Two A graders swap.

Carlton can even take the other Warner so he doesn’t get homesick.

Getting list cloggers… jeez… like Florent . if they are that stupid I’d be amazed.
That clown on Fox Brad Johnson? “Excellent addition” to get Florent.
These people are mental.
“Looks overs to me” said ex-Swan Gerard Healy with a straight face. As in the Swans are giving up too much. Jeez.. I laughed.
:donk:
Carlton are being played as the dopes that they seemingly are.

Geelong might be sneaky tomorrow.. We’ll see.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1306198/cha ... -swans/amp



Tapin thank you :)

Florent basically played VFL this season, has the fifth worst disposal (or is it kick?) in the comp and couldn't get a senior game in a team that missed finals by some margin.

Hayward - IMO underwhelming. Knocked us back recently. Does not want to leave Sydney

Asking for Pick 22 back? LMFAO - they are taking the piss - that kills the future first par of this already horrible deal.

Curnow - two-time Coleman medalist - in let's admit it, a team that has (politely putting it) "trouble" with its disposal efficiency etc.

Just imagine for a minute what Curnow's value is to Sydney with the quality of their midfield? He will win the Coleman again - almost guaranteed.

Swans - get real and come back with something that comes close to market value here.

I'd be a little more interested with Campbell, Pick 11 and a future first.

On the flipside - I will be livid if the club folds and accept this current "offer"


Can you please back up your source on that disposal/kicking stat on Florent.


Don't worry about the stats . Buddy Franklin was more than happy to make a lead when Florent had the ball coz he knew the argot would hit him on the chest . Good enough for me .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Gerard Healy...

Lovely heading in Fox Sports. Pure deception.

"AFL great's overs warning"

Shouldn't the heading be

"Ex-Swans great Gerard Healy is being disingenuous by saying the Swans are giving up too much to Carlton"

The use of the word "warning" in this article irritates the bejesus out of me too. It's as if big brother tells little brother... "you better do what the big boy wants you to do ...or else."

The "else" is Carlton doesn't trade with the Swans. That's the "else" Gerard. He is a contracted player. There is no small print in the contract that says "you must deal with the Swans 2-3 years into the contract so that they offload two average players to get a superstar player in return." If there is that clause, I'd be surprised.

Hayward never in top 10 in Swans b&f...but Ollie Florent once came 7th in the Swans' best and fairest!!! wow!! ow wee!! ...so according to Gerard he must be a "superstar" that the Swans are losing in this "overs" trade. What a joke. I won't be a Carlton member next year if this trade goes through. Big loss..boohoo...I know. The club only has 100,000 other members to cover.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Where has CC ranked in B&F?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Carlton has knocked back Sydney’s offer for Charlie Curnow.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2025 9:22 am 
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People shouldn't get too caught up with their personal predictions. re player value.
You all know that no matter what Austin does, he can't please all the people all the time.
Does Austin realise that posters know better.

But the cameras don't lie. Curnow seems very happy to be parading outside Sydney HQ.
Is there a risk for us to keep Charlie instead of taking 2 good players and 2 first round picks?

The risk of keeping/taking Charlie is well known in the industry. Not so much it seems at TC:

Played 18 games in 2025 for 32 goals 27 behinds.
He doesn't defend, he doesn't tackle, he doesn't chase and w were known our to let the the ball out of our forwardline too easily.
Maybe his body wouldn't let him do the things he once could. Maybe he has peaked?

Ended his season after round 18 for another knee op: his fourth since 2020.
In 4 months time he turns 29yo.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Who has more upside? Charlie who turns 29 in Feb, with chronic knee issues, Hayward who turns 27yo this month, and has played over 20 games every year since 2020, (we offered him $800K for 5 years last year), or 27yo Florent, who has played more than 20 games a year since 2020, except for this year when he wasn't injured but played only 16 games?

No one knows, but we do know we need to add quality and improve our depth. We need more speed, and depth and we need more from our KPF.

Hayward and Florent are best 23 players for us, but we don't know what we will get from Charlie. Add the offer of Sydney's pick 10 to accompany our pick 9, and we have a great player with those 2 picks; ready made or a top 5 kid, AND get our boy Dean with our SOS compo. WE also secure our hand for Cody Walker next year, with another First round pick from the Swans.

Why would anyone be miserable if a 29yo Charlie goes for 2 players and 2 first rounders? Its not like we are losing our 2026 or 2027 premiership KPF if we keep him and still have holes on our list.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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If we receive more than the abovementioned, that'll be cream, and I will do just the same.

Buku, Hayward, Florent, Pick 10 and F1 come on down today, please, ...then we can start playing with some real assets in the next 2 Drafts, on our terms, securing Dean Ison and Walker, and a couple more good players.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Yeah, I’ve been hanging on every update but seriously this update from Tom Morris is surely just taking the piss.
Does he mean that Carlton has said no and now moving onto other things?
Or is he merely reporting that Carlton won’t accept that particular offer and they are continuing to talk?
If the latter, it is disingenuous to be breathlessly reporting as breaking news each time one of the participants in the negotiation says something.

On another note, for those implying/ hoping that if this deal goes through we could end up with a gun in return for pick 10&11 (or whatever it is) are you suggesting that will be part of a big multi club deal or that we do a deal with the Swans for Charlie (eg. R1 2025, R1 2026, Hayward & Florent) and then we do a separate trade for a Bailey Humphrey or Butters?

(I ask because the latter would probably require an earlier deal for Charlie…?)


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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What we do need to add is a developing KPF, and KPF and KPD depth for 2025.

Otherwise its Lewis Young to plug the 200cm needs for us both ends, or rely on rucks O'Keefe and Reidy to provide the 2nd KPF target.

Have a feeling Austin will find our KPD depth. Not sure about KPF, unless he takes a punt on a leading WAFL SAFL VFL player.

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