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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2025 10:10 pm 
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Standards are set by coaches, ie. Hardwick at GC.
Voss has had 4 years and it’s taken Wright to pull HIM in line = simple failure.


There was a failed Richmond board challenge at the end of 2016 and Hardwick was gonna get sakced (his 7th year at Richmond). I guess he was just a bit slow at setting his standards.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2025 11:24 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
Pretty much agree with most of that.

Yeah, let's hope we have a great year.
I just want to see more wins, happy to start with that.


If we don’t change the way we play it doesn’t matter what coaches or players are brought in. We need to change our game style and deliverance. One goes in hand with the other.
Voss is the senior coach


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2025 8:01 pm 
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redback wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Pretty much agree with most of that.

Yeah, let's hope we have a great year.
I just want to see more wins, happy to start with that.


If we don’t change the way we play it doesn’t matter what coaches or players are brought in. We need to change our game style and deliverance. One goes in hand with the other.
Voss is the senior coach

This alone will change the way we play.
It'll be ok. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2025 9:53 pm 
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camel wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Standards are set by coaches, ie. Hardwick at GC.
Voss has had 4 years and it’s taken Wright to pull HIM in line = simple failure.


There was a failed Richmond board challenge at the end of 2016 and Hardwick was gonna get sakced (his 7th year at Richmond). I guess he was just a bit slow at setting his standards.


Change the game plan - let's see if Voss will as well.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2025 10:00 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
camel wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Standards are set by coaches, ie. Hardwick at GC.
Voss has had 4 years and it’s taken Wright to pull HIM in line = simple failure.


There was a failed Richmond board challenge at the end of 2016 and Hardwick was gonna get sakced (his 7th year at Richmond). I guess he was just a bit slow at setting his standards.


Change the game plan - let's see if Voss will as well.


Really liked his speech tonight.

Clear change in attitude and public comms (long overdue imo) at the club.

End of the day though, it’s the actions and results that count.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2025 10:03 pm 
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2016
Head coach
Damien Hardwick

Assistant coaches
Brendon Lade (midfield/stoppages)
Ross Smith (defence)
Ben Rutten (defence)
Mark P. Williams (offense)
Greg Mellor (forward)
Mark M. Williams (senior development)
Ryan Ferguson (development)
Andrew McQualter (development)
Craig McRae (VFL coach)

2017
Head coach
Damien Hardwick

Assistant coaches
Justin Leppitsch (forwards)
Blake Caracella (midfield spread)

Andrew McQualter (midfield stoppage)
Ben Rutten (backline)
Craig McRae (development (forwards)/VFL coach)
Xavier Clarke (development (midfield))
Ryan Ferguson (development (backline))

2 in bolded had a lot to do with the game plan and ofcourse Neil Balme as HoF set a lot of things straight.
Hardwich certaintly has learned a fair bit since.....kudos to him. Surprised me at the GC.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2025 10:05 pm 
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MPH78 wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
camel wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Standards are set by coaches, ie. Hardwick at GC.
Voss has had 4 years and it’s taken Wright to pull HIM in line = simple failure.


There was a failed Richmond board challenge at the end of 2016 and Hardwick was gonna get sakced (his 7th year at Richmond). I guess he was just a bit slow at setting his standards.


Change the game plan - let's see if Voss will as well.


Really liked his speech tonight.

Clear change in attitude and public comms (long overdue imo) at the club.

End of the day though, it’s the actions and results that count.


Agree. Voss is a great talker and says all the right things. Just needs to execute.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 7:47 am 
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We all getting sucked in by Voss again? No sirree. All talk mate.

If you haven’t got the smarts in the coaching game and or the people skills, it’s hard to all of a sudden learn after all these years.

Now if we had a senior mentor then maybe. Only if Voss is not a stubborn mule and will work with someone that is. And doesnt have a superiority complex where he does what he wants. That i dont know about him.

I hope we are getting someone, but not sure if we can attract anyone right now. Hinkley doesnt want to work with Voss again. What does that tell you?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 10:40 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
We all getting sucked in by Voss again? No sirree. All talk mate.

If you haven’t got the smarts in the coaching game and or the people skills, it’s hard to all of a sudden learn after all these years.

Now if we had a senior mentor then maybe. Only if Voss is not a stubborn mule and will work with someone that is. And doesnt have a superiority complex where he does what he wants. That i dont know about him.

I hope we are getting someone, but not sure if we can attract anyone right now. Hinkley doesnt want to work with Voss again. What does that tell you?

Mate, this just sounds like you want a cuddle from Daddy.

This is late stage messiah complex.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 10:43 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
redback wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Pretty much agree with most of that.

Yeah, let's hope we have a great year.
I just want to see more wins, happy to start with that.


If we don’t change the way we play it doesn’t matter what coaches or players are brought in. We need to change our game style and deliverance. One goes in hand with the other.
Voss is the senior coach

This alone will change the way we play.
It'll be ok. :thumbsup:



Not as optimistic as you sidefx but we’ll see a few games into the season


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 10:48 am 
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Don’t know where to ask, does anyone know who actually votes on the B&F? I thought it was the coaching staff, then saw the coach has their own award.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 11:00 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
We all getting sucked in by Voss again? No sirree. All talk mate.

If you haven’t got the smarts in the coaching game and or the people skills, it’s hard to all of a sudden learn after all these years.

Now if we had a senior mentor then maybe. Only if Voss is not a stubborn mule and will work with someone that is. And doesnt have a superiority complex where he does what he wants. That i dont know about him.

I hope we are getting someone, but not sure if we can attract anyone right now. Hinkley doesnt want to work with Voss again. What does that tell you?


I haven’t read or heard this. Where has this been stated?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 11:45 am 
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Its the game plan!
No, its the players!
No, its the assistants!
No, its the culture!

This is what we know:
1) We all want the club to be successful, although we may disagree with the reason we have been failing for so long
2) Voss is the coach as we begin 2026
3) The best possible outcome is that next year heralds the beginning of a Richmond-like 2017-20 era or Geelong from 2007....
4) If we are clearly failing/flailing early in 2026, Voss will be sacked either during the season or at season's end
5) Worst case is a middling year where it is (still) difficult to pinpoint the problem

I say, for the moment, our best option is to take a leaf out of Voss's speech and get behind him, the players, the club and hope that GW's changes - as well as Voss's near-death experience - enable us to make that leap forward. I would rather be wrong about what I think the cause is and find that we start winning than be right and we continue losing!

We have our coach/coaches in place, we will have a team in place ...and we have no say on any of these.

There are plenty of cases of clubs in similar situations to us, or worse, and then turning it around very quickly from Geelong 2006, to Richmond 2016, Bulldogs 2014, Demons 2020, Brisbane half way through 2024 (13th!!), Adelaide/Gold Coast/Freo 2024, Hawthorn 2023 (remember how "irrelevant" they were then...), Collingwood 2021...

Does it hurt to be optimistic and see how we go??


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 12:05 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Its the game plan!
No, its the players!
No, its the assistants!
No, its the culture!

This is what we know:
1) We all want the club to be successful, although we may disagree with the reason we have been failing for so long
2) Voss is the coach as we begin 2026
3) The best possible outcome is that next year heralds the beginning of a Richmond-like 2017-20 era or Geelong from 2007....
4) If we are clearly failing/flailing early in 2026, Voss will be sacked either during the season or at season's end
5) Worst case is a middling year where it is (still) difficult to pinpoint the problem

I say, for the moment, our best option is to take a leaf out of Voss's speech and get behind him, the players, the club and hope that GW's changes - as well as Voss's near-death experience - enable us to make that leap forward. I would rather be wrong about what I think the cause is and find that we start winning than be right and we continue losing!

We have our coach/coaches in place, we will have a team in place ...and we have no say on any of these.

There are plenty of cases of clubs in similar situations to us, or worse, and then turning it around very quickly from Geelong 2006, to Richmond 2016, Bulldogs 2014, Demons 2020, Brisbane half way through 2024 (13th!!), Adelaide/Gold Coast/Freo 2024, Hawthorn 2023 (remember how "irrelevant" they were then...), Collingwood 2021...

Does it hurt to be optimistic and see how we go??


We have no choice but to back Voss in. We don’t all have to have blind faith and not raise our thoughts, do we?
Just because we have concerns also doesn’t mean we are negative. It’s just a false argument thrown up by many to keep people quite, which is wrong.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 12:49 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
We all getting sucked in by Voss again? No sirree. All talk mate.

If you haven’t got the smarts in the coaching game and or the people skills, it’s hard to all of a sudden learn after all these years.

Now if we had a senior mentor then maybe. Only if Voss is not a stubborn mule and will work with someone that is. And doesnt have a superiority complex where he does what he wants. That i dont know about him.

I hope we are getting someone, but not sure if we can attract anyone right now. Hinkley doesnt want to work with Voss again. What does that tell you?


I haven’t read or heard this. Where has this been stated?

The same place where it was stated that Charlie hated the club and wanted to leave at all costs.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 12:55 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
We all getting sucked in by Voss again? No sirree. All talk mate.

If you haven’t got the smarts in the coaching game and or the people skills, it’s hard to all of a sudden learn after all these years.

Now if we had a senior mentor then maybe. Only if Voss is not a stubborn mule and will work with someone that is. And doesnt have a superiority complex where he does what he wants. That i dont know about him.

I hope we are getting someone, but not sure if we can attract anyone right now. Hinkley doesnt want to work with Voss again. What does that tell you?


I haven’t read or heard this. Where has this been stated?

The same place where it was stated that Charlie hated the club and wanted to leave at all costs.

:thumbsup:
It's this kind of rubbish that gets pumped up to disrupt the club, mainly by our own supporters which is the sad part.
Hinkley was interviewed and asked if he would work with Voss at Carlton and his answer was based on the premise that it would not be the right thing to do as it may be deemed as undermining his position and he didn't want to do that out of respect for Voss, whom he clearly respects as a person and coach.

Personally, as I have always stated it would be good to have an ex-senior coach helping the coaches like other premiership clubs have done, Adams could just be that person. I would've like Hinkley also, but respect his decision and reasons on this.


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Mark Williams would be good. I have always respected him.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 2:56 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
Its the game plan!
No, its the players!
No, its the assistants!
No, its the culture!

This is what we know:
1) We all want the club to be successful, although we may disagree with the reason we have been failing for so long
2) Voss is the coach as we begin 2026
3) The best possible outcome is that next year heralds the beginning of a Richmond-like 2017-20 era or Geelong from 2007....
4) If we are clearly failing/flailing early in 2026, Voss will be sacked either during the season or at season's end
5) Worst case is a middling year where it is (still) difficult to pinpoint the problem

I say, for the moment, our best option is to take a leaf out of Voss's speech and get behind him, the players, the club and hope that GW's changes - as well as Voss's near-death experience - enable us to make that leap forward. I would rather be wrong about what I think the cause is and find that we start winning than be right and we continue losing!

We have our coach/coaches in place, we will have a team in place ...and we have no say on any of these.

There are plenty of cases of clubs in similar situations to us, or worse, and then turning it around very quickly from Geelong 2006, to Richmond 2016, Bulldogs 2014, Demons 2020, Brisbane half way through 2024 (13th!!), Adelaide/Gold Coast/Freo 2024, Hawthorn 2023 (remember how "irrelevant" they were then...), Collingwood 2021...

Does it hurt to be optimistic and see how we go??


We have no choice but to back Voss in. We don’t all have to have blind faith and not raise our thoughts, do we?
Just because we have concerns also doesn’t mean we are negative. It’s just a false argument thrown up by many to keep people quite, which is wrong.


I’m certainly not trying to keep anybody quiet.
But I also think we are going in circles, each putting our views forward for what ails us. The truth is there are plenty of valid arguments to be made for all of the various theories. Or most likely a combination.
Graeme Wright has looked into it more thoroughly than any of us could and has made a call. Maybe because he thinks Voss is the man. More likely, he is keen to give Voss a better team, and hoping for a clear run of injuries and see what he can do, or possibly just happy to see out Voss’s contract and start afresh if/when he fails next season.
But we are not going to resolve anything by arguing in circles. We all know all the different potential causes. We know what we all think. (Personally, I prefer 1 ruck….).

So, until we have more info via the first rounds of next season (or maybe more fodder from the upcoming draft), I don’t really see the point of continuing to mount the exact same arguments to each other. For the moment, the coach stays. The trading period and draft still has unlimited possibilities and, sadly, remains the most exciting time of the year for us!

But, of course, if people enjoy continuing putting forward their own personal views about why we are shit and evidence which we’ve all seen a hundred times, enjoy…. I have no desire to shut anyone down. I guess my rant above is just a rhetorical eye roll :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 3:25 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
Don’t know where to ask, does anyone know who actually votes on the B&F? I thought it was the coaching staff, then saw the coach has their own award.

AFL website says the coach & three assistants vote.

As many players as they want can get 0-4 votes.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 5:42 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Don’t know where to ask, does anyone know who actually votes on the B&F? I thought it was the coaching staff, then saw the coach has their own award.

AFL website says the coach & three assistants vote.

As many players as they want can get 0-4 votes.


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