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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2025 3:50 pm 
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During the Voss years, we've been very good at the clearance work and have moved the ball rather nicely at times... until we enter f50. If losing Charlie means we're forced to look at other tactics and avenues to goal, then @#$%&! off yesterday.
Just give it to Frankie. He can do the rest.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2025 4:50 pm 
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I personally don't think there is anything too wrong with the game plan, maybe some more creative tactical changes during the game would assist those closer games.
But like myself and others have said, we lack the right players and depth to be competitive with the top teams and have game plan options.
Look at Mc Cluggage in the GF, not the fastest of blokes, but his kicking and decision making is sublime.
He kicked 4 goals, had 3 goal assists, 26 disposals, 6 tackles and 575m gained, which of our current one paced mids can match that kind of performance.
Then on top of that you have players like Rayner that can come in and destroy players like Bailey Smith.

Adding players like Jagga, Walker, Chesser, B Campo (?) and Humphries (fingers crossed) to our current mix will not only maintain the contested football brand we play, but with some speed and class to actually do something wth the ball post 1st clearance.
Having our mids kicking goals is a must also, just look at how easily the Lions mids destroyed them in the second half.
For me it's just as important as being able to hit targets inside F50, the team needs options to stop the 1 dimensional long bomb to a pack with easy rebounding from the opposition.
That is a player depth issue first and foremost, fix that and then we have more options.


A) Agree 100%
B) I do think Walsh is capable of performing like that
C) Bailey Humphries would be my preferred trade for Charlie (ok, I’d be fine with Gulden or Chad Warner too… I can’t see any Geelong players I’d really want in a trade for Charlie; maybe Holmes. Maybe.)


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2025 5:21 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I personally don't think there is anything too wrong with the game plan, maybe some more creative tactical changes during the game would assist those closer games.
But like myself and others have said, we lack the right players and depth to be competitive with the top teams and have game plan options.
Look at Mc Cluggage in the GF, not the fastest of blokes, but his kicking and decision making is sublime.
He kicked 4 goals, had 3 goal assists, 26 disposals, 6 tackles and 575m gained, which of our current one paced mids can match that kind of performance.
Then on top of that you have players like Rayner that can come in and destroy players like Bailey Smith.

Adding players like Jagga, Walker, Chesser, B Campo (?) and Humphries (fingers crossed) to our current mix will not only maintain the contested football brand we play, but with some speed and class to actually do something wth the ball post 1st clearance.
Having our mids kicking goals is a must also, just look at how easily the Lions mids destroyed them in the second half.
For me it's just as important as being able to hit targets inside F50, the team needs options to stop the 1 dimensional long bomb to a pack with easy rebounding from the opposition.
That is a player depth issue first and foremost, fix that and then we have more options.


A) Agree 100%
B) I do think Walsh is capable of performing like that
C) Bailey Humphries would be my preferred trade for Charlie (ok, I’d be fine with Gulden or Chad Warner too… I can’t see any Geelong players I’d really want in a trade for Charlie; maybe Holmes. Maybe.)

I would like to think Walsh is still capable of performing like that also.
My concern is his goal kicking has been a let down recently but more importantly since his injuries he has lost pace and kicking penetration also.
I hope it is only temporary until they can get him back to 100% as he is a needed player.
And I would love to see him in a GF doing that kind of damage.

I'd take Gulden or Warner also.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2025 6:11 pm 
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Plenty of better players than Nick Daicos


Stopped reading right here


OK , take out " plenty " and replace it with quite a few .


:) I think my sarcasm didn't translate to the written form.... basically I was fake pearl-clutching at the idea that there have been plenty of - if any - footballers better than Nicholas Daicos.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2025 6:13 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I personally don't think there is anything too wrong with the game plan, maybe some more creative tactical changes during the game would assist those closer games.
But like myself and others have said, we lack the right players and depth to be competitive with the top teams and have game plan options.
Look at Mc Cluggage in the GF, not the fastest of blokes, but his kicking and decision making is sublime.
He kicked 4 goals, had 3 goal assists, 26 disposals, 6 tackles and 575m gained, which of our current one paced mids can match that kind of performance.
Then on top of that you have players like Rayner that can come in and destroy players like Bailey Smith.

Adding players like Jagga, Walker, Chesser, B Campo (?) and Humphries (fingers crossed) to our current mix will not only maintain the contested football brand we play, but with some speed and class to actually do something wth the ball post 1st clearance.
Having our mids kicking goals is a must also, just look at how easily the Lions mids destroyed them in the second half.
For me it's just as important as being able to hit targets inside F50, the team needs options to stop the 1 dimensional long bomb to a pack with easy rebounding from the opposition.
That is a player depth issue first and foremost, fix that and then we have more options.


A) Agree 100%
B) I do think Walsh is capable of performing like that
C) Bailey Humphries would be my preferred trade for Charlie (ok, I’d be fine with Gulden or Chad Warner too… I can’t see any Geelong players I’d really want in a trade for Charlie; maybe Holmes. Maybe.)


I think we'd regret trading the farm (as if we could compete with the Cats on that front) for Holmes. An elite engine and great speed, obviously, but his ball use is often quite shoddy.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2025 9:15 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
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Plenty of better players than Nick Daicos


Stopped reading right here


OK , take out " plenty " and replace it with quite a few .


:) I think my sarcasm didn't translate to the written form.... basically I was fake pearl-clutching at the idea that there have been plenty of - if any - footballers better than Nicholas Daicos.

Yeah , get it . Eventually . Good one GX . Marcus Ashcroft knows his place . He had his time and now he is letting his sons have there's .

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2025 3:01 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I personally don't think there is anything too wrong with the game plan, maybe some more creative tactical changes during the game would assist those closer games.
But like myself and others have said, we lack the right players and depth to be competitive with the top teams and have game plan options.
Look at Mc Cluggage in the GF, not the fastest of blokes, but his kicking and decision making is sublime.
He kicked 4 goals, had 3 goal assists, 26 disposals, 6 tackles and 575m gained, which of our current one paced mids can match that kind of performance.
Then on top of that you have players like Rayner that can come in and destroy players like Bailey Smith.

Adding players like Jagga, Walker, Chesser, B Campo (?) and Humphries (fingers crossed) to our current mix will not only maintain the contested football brand we play, but with some speed and class to actually do something wth the ball post 1st clearance.
Having our mids kicking goals is a must also, just look at how easily the Lions mids destroyed them in the second half.
For me it's just as important as being able to hit targets inside F50, the team needs options to stop the 1 dimensional long bomb to a pack with easy rebounding from the opposition.
That is a player depth issue first and foremost, fix that and then we have more options.


A) Agree 100%
B) I do think Walsh is capable of performing like that
C) Bailey Humphries would be my preferred trade for Charlie (ok, I’d be fine with Gulden or Chad Warner too… I can’t see any Geelong players I’d really want in a trade for Charlie; maybe Holmes. Maybe.)


I think we'd regret trading the farm (as if we could compete with the Cats on that front) for Holmes. An elite engine and great speed, obviously, but his ball use is often quite shoddy.


Agree with that. I can't really see anyone of great value who suits our needs at Geelong. Any trade to Geelong would need to include another club I think.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2025 3:38 pm 
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Heard a few references in the last couple of days to how Fagan wasn't highly regarded tactically in his early years.

What did Brisbane get right? Did he just improve? They surrounded him with better support?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2025 4:15 pm 
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Heard a few references in the last couple of days to how Fagan wasn't highly regarded tactically in his early years.

What did Brisbane get right? Did he just improve? They surrounded him with better support?

He’s had Swann & Matthews all the way through, although Lethal relinquished the hands-on duties in 2017.

Added Dom Ambrogio in 2017… survived the drama with Beams leaving in 2018.

He might just be the genuine article.

He does have two former senior coaches underneath him.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2025 6:56 pm 
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It’ll be interesting to see what effect Voss having one year on his contract has when trying to attract assistants.

Not more Port Adelaide people, please.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2025 11:41 pm 
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Bris were -1 for clearances in the QF that they lost

Then +15 in the GF

So maybe Voss is doing something right.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2025 1:10 pm 
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Footy hasn’t changed, clearance is key but the forwards need to react and make space, not only for themselves but for each other. That includes big medium and small. We do not play as a team.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2025 3:21 pm 
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Footy hasn’t changed, clearance is key but the forwards need to react and make space, not only for themselves but for each other. That includes big medium and small. We do not play as a team.
Its the one thing I see as easy to fix - these guys have been doing since they were kids its inbuilt, they wouldn't have forgotten the skill.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2025 3:51 pm 
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nothing wrong with game plan ,i don't know what you guys have been watching but i can name a few predictable s that has been happening for years . 1 long bomb into F50 2 long bomb from FB kick in to a contest only to watch pill come straight back 3 no run just blind kicks 4 no team defence . He has to change this u12 game style and it starts pre season . How can we forget when 1 of the daicos said we knew there game style so blah blah blah


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2025 4:10 pm 
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redback wrote:
Footy hasn’t changed, clearance is key but the forwards need to react and make space, not only for themselves but for each other. That includes big medium and small. We do not play as a team.


Correct. Coaching and structures - but also Brisbane have shown you need pace and goal kicking players on the flanks and wings (Bailey, Rayner, Ah Chee). There is our weakness - no-one outside except Williams and maybe Ollie & Elijah.


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jpulice1969 wrote:
nothing wrong with game plan ,i don't know what you guys have been watching but i can name a few predictable s that has been happening for years . 1 long bomb into F50 2 long bomb from FB kick in to a contest only to watch pill come straight back 3 no run just blind kicks 4 no team defence . He has to change this u12 game style and it starts pre season . How can we forget when 1 of the daicos said we knew there game style so blah blah blah

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2025 8:58 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
redback wrote:
Footy hasn’t changed, clearance is key but the forwards need to react and make space, not only for themselves but for each other. That includes big medium and small. We do not play as a team.


Correct. Coaching and structures - but also Brisbane have shown you need pace and goal kicking players on the flanks and wings (Bailey, Rayner, Ah Chee). There is our weakness - no-one outside except Williams and maybe Ollie & Elijah.

EFA
Rayner plays centre (6 CBAs, 3 clearances in the GF) and forward pocket.
Bailey plays centre (5 CBAs, 5 clearances in the GF) and HF/forward pocket.
Ah Chee plays HF.

Ollie, pace and goal kicking, just stop it. :lol:
We tried Ollie on the HFF, it didn't work, he's a defensive player.

One minute you say it's coaching then next minute you say we have no-one outside with pace and goal kicking.
You don't think for a minute that one effects the other?

Like I said before, I do agree with a lot of things you say, but on your kill the coach stance, I strongly disagree.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2025 9:07 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
redback wrote:
Footy hasn’t changed, clearance is key but the forwards need to react and make space, not only for themselves but for each other. That includes big medium and small. We do not play as a team.


Correct. Coaching and structures - but also Brisbane have shown you need pace and goal kicking players on the flanks and wings (Bailey, Rayner, Ah Chee). There is our weakness - no-one outside except Williams and maybe Ollie & Elijah.

EFA
Rayner plays centre (6 CBAs, 3 clearances in the GF) and forward pocket.
Bailey plays centre (5 CBAs, 5 clearances in the GF) and HF/forward pocket.
Ah Chee plays HF.

Ollie, pace and goal kicking, just stop it. :lol:
We tried Ollie on the HFF, it didn't work, he's a defensive player.

One minute you say it's coaching then next minute you say we have no-one outside with pace and goal kicking.
You don't think for a minute that one effects the other?

Like I said before, I do agree with a lot of things you say, but on your kill the coach stance, I strongly disagree.


What a nice civil bloke you are Sidey .

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2025 9:26 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
redback wrote:
Footy hasn’t changed, clearance is key but the forwards need to react and make space, not only for themselves but for each other. That includes big medium and small. We do not play as a team.


Correct. Coaching and structures - but also Brisbane have shown you need pace and goal kicking players on the flanks and wings (Bailey, Rayner, Ah Chee). There is our weakness - no-one outside except Williams and maybe Ollie & Elijah.

EFA
Rayner plays centre (6 CBAs, 3 clearances in the GF) and forward pocket.
Bailey plays centre (5 CBAs, 5 clearances in the GF) and HF/forward pocket.
Ah Chee plays HF.

Ollie, pace and goal kicking, just stop it. :lol:
We tried Ollie on the HFF, it didn't work, he's a defensive player.

One minute you say it's coaching then next minute you say we have no-one outside with pace and goal kicking.
You don't think for a minute that one effects the other?

Like I said before, I do agree with a lot of things you say, but on your kill the coach stance, I strongly disagree.


What a nice civil bloke you are Sidey .

Thank you.
I'm trying to have less mongrel in me as I get older.
Not sure if it is working though.

But I truly do regard SBs opinion, I just can't get past bagging our coaching at every turn when we had so many other issues this year to contend with.
The bloke is not a magician and you can only do so much with what you have got and while we have some really good players, we still lack a few to have a real crack at a premiership.
Like people keep saying, the difference between top 4 and the bottom 4 is not much and a lot has to go right in a season.
Hopefully we have some luck with injuries this year and the new players and coaches bring in that energy to boost the team again.
I am bullish about next season and the way we are attacking the offseason this year.
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Everything is to blame except coaching. Silly me for not being civil.


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