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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2025 1:36 pm 
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Not what we need. Need quick, skilful, strong runners. Not more slow, clearance players.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Agree Stef a hard no from me
Slow no defensive skills adds nothing to our existing one paced midfield

Had the opportunity to come to us many moons ago when at the Swans


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Massive, rock hard NO from me.

Calm down, Bondi. 8)


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Preston might scoop up him & Barry as a package deal.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Mitchell couldn’t be further from our needs. I can’t believe he would even be raised as a thought.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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I thought it was our coach that was the issue. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Coach is our no.1 problem. NFI.
There are others though and they are obvious, like too many inside mids played all together!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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GreatEx wrote:
Massive, rock hard NO from me.

Calm down, Bondi. 8)


I wouldn't have minded Treloar coming onboard to help with speed, and development of the kids, and especially for Finals, but he's signed on with Doggies. WE were close.

We have a need for speed. Our best combo last year (albeit rarely fit) was Walsh Hewett Cerra.

Cripps and Hewett inside bulls for 2026-2028 ... B Campo developing
Walsh and Cerra inside outiside mids 2026-2032 ... Lord developing
Smith and ???? outisde speed 2026-2035 ... need

Walker will join Smith in 2027, but he will be developing, and I feel we need another star with speed, now.
Mitchell is not the one.

Typical of what we need is the likes of Butters in the guts or even a Gulden on a wing.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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SurreyBlue wrote:
IMO Coach is our no.1 problem. NFI.
There are others though and they are obvious, like too many inside mids played all together!



Edited for accuracy

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bondiblue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
IMO Coach is our no.1 problem. NFI.
There are others though and they are obvious, like too many inside mids played all together!



Edited for accuracy


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bondiblue wrote:

We have a need for speed. Our best combo last year (albeit rarely fit) was Walsh Hewett Cerra.

Cripps and Hewett inside bulls for 2026-2028 ... B Campo developing.


Saw some guys in blue bandanas behind Snoop yesterday and it was the best a Cripps moved at the MCG all year.

He's 31 as the 2026 season starts. Surely his time as an inside bull is limited? How do you see this changing in 2026 and 2027 (when he retires).


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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DocSherrin III wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

We have a need for speed. Our best combo last year (albeit rarely fit) was Walsh Hewett Cerra.

Cripps and Hewett inside bulls for 2026-2028 ... B Campo developing.


Saw some guys in blue bandanas behind Snoop yesterday and it was the best a Cripps moved at the MCG all year.

He's 31 as the 2026 season starts. Surely his time as an inside bull is limited? How do you see this changing in 2026 and 2027 (when he retires).

I'm hoping better depth means we can move Cripps into the forward line a bit more.
Hence the suggestion of an inside mid who can get the ball while the kids develop and at worst be the one helping in the twos, options.
That all depends on who is out there and if there is better depth, then I'm all for it of course.
But like when I suggested Dunkley years ago and was criticised, you can't really lose with players that can find the ball.
Fast, skilful goal kicking mids is our no1 priority first and foremost though.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2025 2:24 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Coach is our no.1 problem. NFI.
There are others though and they are obvious, like too many inside mids played all together!

Who are the outside mids that missed out this year?

Top 7 players CBA's average.
Cripps - inside mid 80%
Hewett - inside mid 77%
Cerra - inside/outside mid 66% (has injury issues)
Walsh - inside/outside mid 56% (has injury issues)
Williams - midsized forward 21% (needed in the forward line as there is no depth)
Lord - outside mid 20% (still young and developing and behind our other mids)
Motlop - small forward 15% (needed in the forward line also as he was our only small until Evans got knocked into gear)

Aside from Elijah (we all know why) and possibly Cottrell (injured), who else did Voss not put in the middle through poor coaching?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2025 3:04 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:

We have a need for speed. Our best combo last year (albeit rarely fit) was Walsh Hewett Cerra.

Cripps and Hewett inside bulls for 2026-2028 ... B Campo developing.

The success of the current game plan relies on Cripps being in Brownlow form. And now he's on the downward slide, we need to be more creative.

George can't do it himself, Walsh is best as outside mid and Cerra is 5th banana, if that.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Hornet wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

We have a need for speed. Our best combo last year (albeit rarely fit) was Walsh Hewett Cerra.

Cripps and Hewett inside bulls for 2026-2028 ... B Campo developing.

The success of the current game plan relies on Cripps being in Brownlow form. And now he's on the downward slide, we need to be more creative.

George can't do it himself, Walsh is best as outside mid and Cerra is 5th banana, if that.
Cripps had a year off before winning his second Brownlow. He needs to do the same this year and aim to get back to that Brownlow form next year. Getting himself fit and healthy will go a long way to improving our team. If he can't do it then he should get out of the way.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2025 3:42 pm 
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lord is an inside mid, yeah? inside, a bit outside. his creativity (by hand especially) in traffic and ability to shrug a tackle is great to excellent. Lord, hewett/ cripps inside with jagga & walsh outside.

cerra is the one we need to replace. he's not terribly good at being in or out.

i'd like to see charlie traded - sell high (i doubt he's heart is in it here, and he'll serve up more diabolical 2025 nonsense), and cripps to spend more time forward like danger has. and go to the middle when we need to swing for the fences get a goal from a centre bounce.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Braithy wrote:
lord is an inside mid, yeah? inside, a bit outside. his creativity (by hand especially) in traffic and ability to shrug a tackle is great to excellent. Lord, hewett/ cripps inside with jagga & walsh outside.

cerra is the one we need to replace. he's not terribly good at being in or out.

i'd like to see charlie traded - sell high (i doubt he's heart is in it here, and he'll serve up more diabolical 2025 nonsense), and cripps to spend more time forward like danger has. and go to the middle when we need to swing for the fences get a goal from a centre bounce.

Lord has done quite well this year on the outside, but I agree he can play that inside role well also.
I expect Chesser to take up the wing role and Lord goes inside more next season.
For me Jagga is inside also but he has pace, either way having the ball being fed to either Jagga, Walsh, Lord or Chesser our options start looking a lot better, especially going forwards.
If the midfield gets that stacked then I'd like to see Cerra play either at half back or half forward, hamstring depending.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Cerra is our best defensive and offensive mid and we don't want to play him midfield. Yep - some need to get out of Vossy's back pocket.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Sorry, I forgot how damaging he was in the middle this year.
Can you please provide the link to these highlights.

And if Voss played too many inside mids this year who makes way for Jagga and mid x that we pick up?
Cripps, Hewett, Walsh?

C’mon SB, this is getting quite ridiculous now.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Sidefx wrote:
Sorry, I forgot how damaging he was in the middle this year.
Can you please provide the link to these highlights.

And if Voss played too many inside mids this year who makes way for Jagga and mid x that we pick up?
Cripps, Hewett, Walsh?

C’mon SB, this is getting quite ridiculous now.


I've said many times but for one last time.

1. Cripps, Walsh and Cerra are our best versatile options. I love Hewett but he cannot play inside with Cripps at the same time. Just makes us vulnerable to smart midfields. Hewett should only rotate with Cripps.
2. Cerra and Walsh can also play wing if Voss wanted to be versatile and throw Williams, Elijah, Ollie, Motlop (although he did finally in the last 2 weeks) as additional options.
3. Smith will need to start half forward (when he is ready) and rotate in there replacing Walsh or Cerra. The kid will need time to build and learn.
4. Lord and Ben C (developing) are the depth insiders to Hewett and Cripps.

Where Voss and his assistants have let themselves down is that they refused to try something different to give us run and carry through the middle of the ground all year. It was a stagnated and a stale structure and setup. Opposition was never surprised or given a different view. We beat teams that just didn't have the midfield to push us such as (Geelong shown up in the GF) and bottom 4 teams - but got beaten by top 8 teams, not in clearances but on the outside because Cripps and Hewett couldn't go with them. Cerra played 19 games this year and most where outside the middle!!!
He refused to play Ollie wing, although he was one of our best runners and defenders - yet thought his run and disposal was better off half back.

As far as I'm concerned, we were let down by our coaches both in the midfield and forward of the centre due to the in flexible approach.


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