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Harry Dean is 193cm at 17 years old. Will def get to 195cm.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Harry Dean is 193cm at 17 years old. Will def get to 195cm.


Can’t assume that.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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malbi wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
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If we assume the Dean bid comes in around pick 9 - JSOS compo is probably about pick 22 and the pick we got from Brisbane is around 34, so we'd need about another 180 points to match the bid. A third rounder for Motlop would cover that, and clear a list spot for Isun later in the night.

Pick #9 = 1355 points
Pick #22 = 686 points
Pick #34 = 360 points

So 309 points short which would normally mean we would require pick #36 (317 points) as well however we get a 10% discount on father sons so a mid 3rd rounder should be enough.
Remember that teams can go into deficit up to 1723 points however we would want to avoid this with Cody Walker coming through next year.


I'm clearly referring to the context of that hypothetical trade, which would involve us exchanging 9 (which would become 11) for 2.

Irrespective of whether we can get a Curnow deal done - we should be looking to offload that pick given the likelihood of bids coming from Essendon*** and St Kilda immediately before it.


Essendon** have Picks 4 and 5 which will probably get bumped out to Picks 5 and 6. Pick 5 is worth 1795 points. If Dean gets bid on then we have to come up with 1616 points (with the 10% discount). How are you going to do that if you trade away the TDF compo pick?

Using your example if the JSOS pick is Pick 22 which is 686 points. Pick 34 is 360 points and Pick 44 is 167 points. That is a total of 1213 points or 403 points short.

The only way you would trade out the TDF compo pick is if you got a good player and at least Pick 32 (405 points) in return. That assumes the later picks aren't getting bumped which is bad assumption. So you'd want a pick better than that. The other option is trading it for two lower picks of higher total value (but you need to be careful as picks are bumped).

I say keep the TDF compo pick and then use it on Dean when you need it. If it's Pick 11 then that is 1205 points which is well on the way to cover the 1616 points we need if Dean is nominated at Pick 5. We will then need to use some of the points of Pick 22 to make up the difference. Pick 22 will then get pushed out to Pick 39 or thereabouts. So then you'd have Picks 34, 39 and 44 to go to the draft or use on a player like Chesser. Don't trade away picks because you're scared of a bid.

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You're assuming the only option is to trade down (or out all together). We effectively lose all compo for TDK by using it all on points to match a father/son we can achieve with lower picks, and can still get a first round pick in.

Either trade up to GC's first, or get involved in a deal for pick 2/Allen compo.

SOS compo/pick we got from Brisbane last year/our actual third/whatever we get for Gov, Motlop, Binns etc will be sufficient.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2025 3:58 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Harry Dean is 193cm at 17 years old. Will def get to 195cm.


Can’t assume that.

I’m a paediatrician.
Difficult to predict
Most boys stop growing at 17-18 but it can be 15-20 depending on when they go into puberty.
The normal range of puberty for boys is 11 1/2 to 14. Early developers obviously have their growth spurt early and stop growing early while later developers the reverse.
You can predict final adult height in a child over 8 to within an inch by doing a bone age X-ray of their wrist and hand. It’s a party trick we usually only use if a child is really short or there is no sign of puberty over age 14. If there is no sign of puberty by 14 1/2 we can kick start it with testosterone injections mainly for social reasons.
The above is one of the issues I have with the quest to identify elite football talent earlier and earlier. All the scouts are doing however in looking at 12 year olds is identifying early developers, men playing against boys. Many talented youngsters who are late into puberty and small get passed over as 12-14 year olds because they’re just too small. Nathan Fyffe didn’t make his school first 18 football team because he was a late developer. Last night after the game Jai Newcombe was interviewed and it was discussed that no one took a look at him in his draft year because he was quite small as a 15-18 year old.
So let’s hope Harry Dean at 193 has more growing yet which he probably does. If the club lets me xray his wrist I’ll tell you for sure.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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RickJ wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Harry Dean is 193cm at 17 years old. Will def get to 195cm.


Can’t assume that.

I’m a paediatrician.
Difficult to predict
Most boys stop growing at 17-18 but it can be 15-20 depending on when they go into puberty.
The normal range of puberty for boys is 11 1/2 to 14. Early developers obviously have their growth spurt early and stop growing early while later developers the reverse.
You can predict final adult height in a child over 8 to within an inch by doing a bone age X-ray of their wrist and hand. It’s a party trick we usually only use if a child is really short or there is no sign of puberty over age 14. If there is no sign of puberty by 14 1/2 we can kick start it with testosterone injections mainly for social reasons.
The above is one of the issues I have with the quest to identify elite football talent earlier and earlier. All the scouts are doing however in looking at 12 year olds is identifying early developers, men playing against boys. Many talented youngsters who are late into puberty and small get passed over as 12-14 year olds because they’re just too small. Nathan Fyffe didn’t make his school first 18 football team because he was a late developer. Last night after the game Jai Newcombe was interviewed and it was discussed that no one took a look at him in his draft year because he was quite small as a 15-18 year old.
So let’s hope Harry Dean at 193 has more growing yet which he probably does. If the club lets me xray his wrist I’ll tell you for sure.



I’m not sure that “officially” that sort of test is allowed for those in the AFL system- although I’m sure it happens.

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 Post subject: List Management 2025
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
malbi wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
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If we assume the Dean bid comes in around pick 9 - JSOS compo is probably about pick 22 and the pick we got from Brisbane is around 34, so we'd need about another 180 points to match the bid. A third rounder for Motlop would cover that, and clear a list spot for Isun later in the night.

Pick #9 = 1355 points
Pick #22 = 686 points
Pick #34 = 360 points

So 309 points short which would normally mean we would require pick #36 (317 points) as well however we get a 10% discount on father sons so a mid 3rd rounder should be enough.
Remember that teams can go into deficit up to 1723 points however we would want to avoid this with Cody Walker coming through next year.


I'm clearly referring to the context of that hypothetical trade, which would involve us exchanging 9 (which would become 11) for 2.

Irrespective of whether we can get a Curnow deal done - we should be looking to offload that pick given the likelihood of bids coming from Essendon**** and St Kilda immediately before it.


Essendon*** have Picks 4 and 5 which will probably get bumped out to Picks 5 and 6. Pick 5 is worth 1795 points. If Dean gets bid on then we have to come up with 1616 points (with the 10% discount). How are you going to do that if you trade away the TDF compo pick?

Using your example if the JSOS pick is Pick 22 which is 686 points. Pick 34 is 360 points and Pick 44 is 167 points. That is a total of 1213 points or 403 points short.

The only way you would trade out the TDF compo pick is if you got a good player and at least Pick 32 (405 points) in return. That assumes the later picks aren't getting bumped which is bad assumption. So you'd want a pick better than that. The other option is trading it for two lower picks of higher total value (but you need to be careful as picks are bumped).

I say keep the TDF compo pick and then use it on Dean when you need it. If it's Pick 11 then that is 1205 points which is well on the way to cover the 1616 points we need if Dean is nominated at Pick 5. We will then need to use some of the points of Pick 22 to make up the difference. Pick 22 will then get pushed out to Pick 39 or thereabouts. So then you'd have Picks 34, 39 and 44 to go to the draft or use on a player like Chesser. Don't trade away picks because you're scared of a bid.

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You're assuming the only option is to trade down (or out all together). We effectively lose all compo for TDK by using it all on points to match a father/son we can achieve with lower picks, and can still get a first round pick in.

Either trade up to GC's first, or get involved in a deal for pick 2/Allen compo.

SOS compo/pick we got from Brisbane last year/our actual third/whatever we get for Gov, Motlop, Binns etc will be sufficient.


Show me the hypothetical trades and calculations that would make your theory work.

Why would Gold Coast give up Pick 6 when they need the points for their academy players?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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RickJ wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Harry Dean is 193cm at 17 years old. Will def get to 195cm.


Can’t assume that.

I’m a paediatrician.
Difficult to predict
Most boys stop growing at 17-18 but it can be 15-20 depending on when they go into puberty.
The normal range of puberty for boys is 11 1/2 to 14. Early developers obviously have their growth spurt early and stop growing early while later developers the reverse.
You can predict final adult height in a child over 8 to within an inch by doing a bone age X-ray of their wrist and hand. It’s a party trick we usually only use if a child is really short or there is no sign of puberty over age 14. If there is no sign of puberty by 14 1/2 we can kick start it with testosterone injections mainly for social reasons.
The above is one of the issues I have with the quest to identify elite football talent earlier and earlier. All the scouts are doing however in looking at 12 year olds is identifying early developers, men playing against boys. Many talented youngsters who are late into puberty and small get passed over as 12-14 year olds because they’re just too small. Nathan Fyffe didn’t make his school first 18 football team because he was a late developer. Last night after the game Jai Newcombe was interviewed and it was discussed that no one took a look at him in his draft year because he was quite small as a 15-18 year old.
So let’s hope Harry Dean at 193 has more growing yet which he probably does. If the club lets me xray his wrist I’ll tell you for sure.

It's a really interesting discussion Rick. Kids who develop early get picked in rep teams early and because of the better training they receive they gain exponentially on later developing kids. Real argument to be made for looking at late blooming clever kids who can find the thing and will develop in a HP environment

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Good to hear from you Rick

Tonight where GC kick 6 goals in a final may be very helpful for us

GC may think with Charlie they can fix that problem and this will mean that they go one or two steps further next year accordingly they may be willing to offer us something stupidly good for Charlie in a trade


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Frank Carspew wrote:
Good to hear from you Rick

Tonight where GC kick 6 goals in a final may be very helpful for us

GC may think with Charlie they can fix that problem and this will mean that they go one or two steps further next year accordingly they may be willing to offer us something stupidly good for Charlie in a trade

Stupidly good is the starting point, Frank. They’re buying 70+ goals.

I don’t think they can afford to put the Port pick on the table if they’re looking at two bids inside the first five picks. Nor do I think the young fella who didn’t make the team tonight will cut it.

I think the Swans are at the front of the queue, even if it is a far queue from us.

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Yes Crüe stupidly good is the start

I’m not wedded to trading Charlie but I’m hoping GC think they may be in the premiership window if they get Charlie and do something really stupid
Pick 2 for Lachie Weller ridiculous type of deal
Can’t see Sydney or Geelong giving us a good enough offer ie won’t let good or best players go as part of trade

Unlikely I know and if nothing happens Club needs to get the best out of Charlie if he is staying


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Carlton’s Jesse Motlop is expected to stay on a two- year deal. Excellent progress recently with an official signature now considered a formality.

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Interesting, I’d have thought we’d wait until after the trade period


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Crusader wrote:
I think the Swans are at the front of the queue, even if it is a far queue from us.


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Frank Carspew wrote:
Good to hear from you Rick

Tonight where GC kick 6 goals in a final may be very helpful for us

GC may think with Charlie they can fix that problem and this will mean that they go one or two steps further next year accordingly they may be willing to offer us something stupidly good for Charlie in a trade

Curnow's hardly a proven finals performer averaging 1 goal per game... but with more space in the f50 and less bombs...?

This trade period will be interesting to see how much opposition teams truly value our Chucky...

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Carlton’s Jesse Motlop is expected to stay on a two- year deal. Excellent progress recently with an official signature now considered a formality.


Hopefully a wake up call. I'd suggest there was zero meaningful interest elsewhere.

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CC at gold coast with a better playing system quicker ball movement than us could do some damage ok , now we want Walters and humpreys and first rnd pick . Who recalls pick 3 and Jk for Judd


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